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Ideally they should have some morality to put basic human rights and safety above profits. Even from long term perspective if they continue to ignore hate speec

Ideally they should have some morality to put basic human rights and safety above profits. Even from long term perspective if they continue to ignore hate speech against Islam on their platform I am sure they would lose a lot of users.

zozbot234 6y ago
'Islam' is not a monolithic block, and we shouldn't represent it as such. Most hate speech against Muslims or varieties of Islam comes from Islamist fundamentalists and radicals themselves, not anyone with ties to any "ruling party" in India or in the Western world.
- ashleshbiradar 6y ago
  Talking about Islamophobic hate content in the context of India, the current ruling party BJP which known for being a Hindu Nationalistic party, along with it's sister organizations "Sangh Parivar", have a history of spreading islamophobia.
  - warranty 6y ago
    Reporting you for astroturfing. Muslim mobs have burnt capital of India and that will not be tolerated.
  - throwawaysea 6y ago
    You can’t accuse them of Islamophobia or hate content when there’s a long history of Islamic terror attacks in India, attempts to illegally annex territory from India into an Islamic nation (Pakistan trying to claim Kashmir), recent history in splitting India to create separate Islamic nations (Pakistan and Bangladesh), not to mention further brutal history of Islamic (Mughal) conquest and rule. Why shouldn’t a party in India be Hindu nationalists and recognize the realities of Islam’s persistent threat to their way of life over hundreds of years? There’s no other space on the planet for Hindus other than India. Blind secularism is asking for a culture to disappear and be replaced by the homogeneous modern western culture, ultimately.
    - ashleshbiradar 6y ago
      threat of terrorism doesnt justify hating the entire community, the policy of the current ruling dispensation is Islamophobic, Islamophobia wont help fight terrorism.
      - throwawaysea 6y ago
        Is it the victim’s responsibility to separate out good and bad actors from a group whose foundational texts call for violence against those of other belief systems? Do victims need to shoulder the burden of making individualized statements that don’t offend over broadly recognizing threats and securing their own safety? Sorry but you can’t blame the victims (Hindus) for wanting to be free of attacks on their people, culture, religion, and sovereignty. That is no different than blaming a rape victim. Likewise, you can’t pejoratively label people who recognize the threats of anti-Hindu sentiments/cultures/groups as committing hate speech or being *phobic. Defending one’s way of life is just common sense, not hateful. As for the current “ruling dispensation” being Islamophobic, what is your evidence for that? Please don’t say CAA, which has been debunked numerous times over as just a way to grant refugee status to persecuted minority groups from surrounding Islamic nations. Those are countries that have Islam as their official state religion - it seems they are much more deserving of your attention in this regard than India or the BJP, since they are by definition much more hostile to those of different cultures/beliefs. Lastly, your submission history shows you are repeatedly posting similar stories (https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=ashleshbiradar https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=ashleshbiradar). This isn’t in the spirit of HN guidelines.
thefounder 6y ago
Is hate speach against Islam more important than any other hate speach?
- commoner 6y ago
  Nobody made that claim. The article covers Facebook's repeated failure to promptly remove hate speech against Muslims in India, and that's why this topic is being discussed.
  - thefounder 6y ago
    Hate speech against women in India is an equal if not a bigger issue when you consider the numbers.
    - commoner 6y ago
      Hate speech against women in India may also be an issue, but that's not what the article is about. The article focuses on hate speech on Facebook against Muslims in India.
    - srean 6y ago
      Independent citation needed.
      - thefounder 6y ago
        https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/woman-reports-rape-15-minutes-india-200110032323608.html https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/woman-reports-rape-15...
        srean 6y ago
        It talks about the number of rapes reported daily in India and those numbers are utterly, distressingly and shamefully high. However, I don't see where it indicates hate speech against women in India is an equal if not a bigger issue. I fail to see anything in that article about hate speech against women, violence against women sure, where does it talk about hate speech and how relevant is that to this HN post. Are you sure you did not get carried away by your personal agenda.
ffpip 6y ago
They won't. You don't know the kind of nationalism that exists in India. Just check out twitter.com/explore every night via an Indian IP. It's full of hate speech against Hindus and muslims. Some random guy/girl tweets some shit against a religion. All the media/bots/politicians jump on it and blame it on each other. Everybody is outraged by tiny things, they don't know to ignore things. Indian media thrives on these things. Half the nation is jobless/students . Most accounts are paid bots. The only good thing is that the situation are getting better, as the older gen goes away slowly.
- srean 6y ago
  > The only good thing is that the situation are getting better, as the older gen goes away slowly. I do want to believe you, but most of the time it seems I am clutching at straws. The Hindu right is doing a pretty good job of catching them young and indoctrinating. At the same time there is ton of money flowing in from Saudi Arabia to do the honours for the other side.
- xfer 6y ago
  Social media and TV is the worst in India right now, very sad but i don't remember it being this bad when i was a kid.

zozbot234 6y ago

'Islam' is not a monolithic block, and we shouldn't represent it as such. Most hate speech against Muslims or varieties of Islam comes from Islamist fundamentalists and radicals themselves, not anyone with ties to any "ruling party" in India or in the Western world.

ashleshbiradar 6y ago
Talking about Islamophobic hate content in the context of India, the current ruling party BJP which known for being a Hindu Nationalistic party, along with it's sister organizations "Sangh Parivar", have a history of spreading islamophobia.
- warranty 6y ago
  Reporting you for astroturfing. Muslim mobs have burnt capital of India and that will not be tolerated.
- throwawaysea 6y ago
  You can’t accuse them of Islamophobia or hate content when there’s a long history of Islamic terror attacks in India, attempts to illegally annex territory from India into an Islamic nation (Pakistan trying to claim Kashmir), recent history in splitting India to create separate Islamic nations (Pakistan and Bangladesh), not to mention further brutal history of Islamic (Mughal) conquest and rule. Why shouldn’t a party in India be Hindu nationalists and recognize the realities of Islam’s persistent threat to their way of life over hundreds of years? There’s no other space on the planet for Hindus other than India. Blind secularism is asking for a culture to disappear and be replaced by the homogeneous modern western culture, ultimately.
  - ashleshbiradar 6y ago
    threat of terrorism doesnt justify hating the entire community, the policy of the current ruling dispensation is Islamophobic, Islamophobia wont help fight terrorism.
    - throwawaysea 6y ago
      Is it the victim’s responsibility to separate out good and bad actors from a group whose foundational texts call for violence against those of other belief systems? Do victims need to shoulder the burden of making individualized statements that don’t offend over broadly recognizing threats and securing their own safety? Sorry but you can’t blame the victims (Hindus) for wanting to be free of attacks on their people, culture, religion, and sovereignty. That is no different than blaming a rape victim. Likewise, you can’t pejoratively label people who recognize the threats of anti-Hindu sentiments/cultures/groups as committing hate speech or being *phobic. Defending one’s way of life is just common sense, not hateful. As for the current “ruling dispensation” being Islamophobic, what is your evidence for that? Please don’t say CAA, which has been debunked numerous times over as just a way to grant refugee status to persecuted minority groups from surrounding Islamic nations. Those are countries that have Islam as their official state religion - it seems they are much more deserving of your attention in this regard than India or the BJP, since they are by definition much more hostile to those of different cultures/beliefs. Lastly, your submission history shows you are repeatedly posting similar stories (https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=ashleshbiradar https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=ashleshbiradar). This isn’t in the spirit of HN guidelines.

thefounder 6y ago

Is hate speach against Islam more important than any other hate speach?

commoner 6y ago
Nobody made that claim. The article covers Facebook's repeated failure to promptly remove hate speech against Muslims in India, and that's why this topic is being discussed.
- thefounder 6y ago
  Hate speech against women in India is an equal if not a bigger issue when you consider the numbers.
  - commoner 6y ago
    Hate speech against women in India may also be an issue, but that's not what the article is about. The article focuses on hate speech on Facebook against Muslims in India.
  - srean 6y ago
    Independent citation needed.
    - thefounder 6y ago
      https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/woman-reports-rape-15-minutes-india-200110032323608.html https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/woman-reports-rape-15...
      - srean 6y ago
        It talks about the number of rapes reported daily in India and those numbers are utterly, distressingly and shamefully high. However, I don't see where it indicates hate speech against women in India is an equal if not a bigger issue. I fail to see anything in that article about hate speech against women, violence against women sure, where does it talk about hate speech and how relevant is that to this HN post. Are you sure you did not get carried away by your personal agenda.

ffpip 6y ago

They won't. You don't know the kind of nationalism that exists in India. Just check out twitter.com/explore every night via an Indian IP. It's full of hate speech against Hindus and muslims. Some random guy/girl tweets some shit against a religion. All the media/bots/politicians jump on it and blame it on each other. Everybody is outraged by tiny things, they don't know to ignore things. Indian media thrives on these things. Half the nation is jobless/students . Most accounts are paid bots. The only good thing is that the situation are getting better, as the older gen goes away slowly.

srean 6y ago
> The only good thing is that the situation are getting better, as the older gen goes away slowly. I do want to believe you, but most of the time it seems I am clutching at straws. The Hindu right is doing a pretty good job of catching them young and indoctrinating. At the same time there is ton of money flowing in from Saudi Arabia to do the honours for the other side.
xfer 6y ago
Social media and TV is the worst in India right now, very sad but i don't remember it being this bad when i was a kid.