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A while ago, debit and visa payments often had minimal orders and additional fees.

by rrobukef 6y ago

jhrmnn 6y ago
But Apple is more than a payment processor here, they are closer to a regular online store in this regard
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  I have a different opinion Online stores profit from the difference between buying at volumes and selling at a higher price. They don't charge over the market price, they buy at a discount Apple doesn't buy anything, doesn't have a warehouse, doesn't allow publishers to discuss the terms of the agreement, they take the same fee from everyone, in this regards it is very similar to a flat tax Apple store is more similar to a market place, a mall in the physical world, in a mall businesses rent the space They pay in proportion on how much space they rent and the quality of the space they rent Apple (unfairly IMO) charges the same amount for everyone, even though some apps are promoted by the store and the vast majority of them is practically undiscoverable unless you already know what to look for. If Apple was a store it would be a store that only place orders on your behalf, just because it's the only store in town and charges a fee on every order, even if they don't do much If you had the phone number of the supplier you could place the order yourself, but Apple prohibits customers to even ask for it and if publishers try to contact customers directly, they sue them In this imaginary town people supporting the Apple business say to people sick and tired of their way of doing it "change town" I hoped we would be better than tribes in 2020
  - the_other 6y ago
    > even if they don't do much Apart from warehouse all the stock, provide check/out, provide distribution.
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      This is an example of having to buy B to get A Nobody asked Apple to provide check out, distribution and warehouse They are doing it and forcing everybody to follow along with that because it's best for Apple In the same way Facebook hosts your pictures because it's good for them I'm sure companies like Twitter, Facebook, Microsoft, epic, Spotify, Google etc. etc. are perfectly capable of doing all of the above, Apple simply prohibits them from even writing in their apps "this is not the only way you could buy this app"
      - the_other 6y ago
        > Nobody asked Apple to provide check out, distribution and warehouse Maybe they didn’t ask for it, but they sure as hell use it. No-one has to make native apps.
        romanoderoma 6y ago
        Or course they do They can't not use it That's the point PWAs are crippled on the iPhone and the fact that the only browser available is Safari is not encouraging for developers, so native it's the only option to have a good experience on iOS Apple does want you to develop native apps, because to make native apps you have to buy Apple hardware, Apple developer licenses and Apple devices to test them
        the_other 6y ago
        > They can't not use it They could very well not use it. I’ve chosen not to develop (or learn how) iOS native apps. For now. Almost everything I want to do could be a web app and I’d take the cost of maintaining servers for shelf space, distribution and offline storage. I’d have to use email for notifications. Notifications are optional at point of consumption anyway so they can’t be relied upon, so this UX impairment is minor. The PWA argument doesn’t work for me. Most of the features I might choose to use PWA abilities for can be implemented in other ways.

A while ago, debit and visa payments often had minimal orders and additional fees.

jhrmnn 6y ago

But Apple is more than a payment processor here, they are closer to a regular online store in this regard

romanoderoma 6y ago
I have a different opinion Online stores profit from the difference between buying at volumes and selling at a higher price. They don't charge over the market price, they buy at a discount Apple doesn't buy anything, doesn't have a warehouse, doesn't allow publishers to discuss the terms of the agreement, they take the same fee from everyone, in this regards it is very similar to a flat tax Apple store is more similar to a market place, a mall in the physical world, in a mall businesses rent the space They pay in proportion on how much space they rent and the quality of the space they rent Apple (unfairly IMO) charges the same amount for everyone, even though some apps are promoted by the store and the vast majority of them is practically undiscoverable unless you already know what to look for. If Apple was a store it would be a store that only place orders on your behalf, just because it's the only store in town and charges a fee on every order, even if they don't do much If you had the phone number of the supplier you could place the order yourself, but Apple prohibits customers to even ask for it and if publishers try to contact customers directly, they sue them In this imaginary town people supporting the Apple business say to people sick and tired of their way of doing it "change town" I hoped we would be better than tribes in 2020
- the_other 6y ago
  > even if they don't do much Apart from warehouse all the stock, provide check/out, provide distribution.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    This is an example of having to buy B to get A Nobody asked Apple to provide check out, distribution and warehouse They are doing it and forcing everybody to follow along with that because it's best for Apple In the same way Facebook hosts your pictures because it's good for them I'm sure companies like Twitter, Facebook, Microsoft, epic, Spotify, Google etc. etc. are perfectly capable of doing all of the above, Apple simply prohibits them from even writing in their apps "this is not the only way you could buy this app"
    - the_other 6y ago
      > Nobody asked Apple to provide check out, distribution and warehouse Maybe they didn’t ask for it, but they sure as hell use it. No-one has to make native apps.
      - romanoderoma 6y ago
        Or course they do They can't not use it That's the point PWAs are crippled on the iPhone and the fact that the only browser available is Safari is not encouraging for developers, so native it's the only option to have a good experience on iOS Apple does want you to develop native apps, because to make native apps you have to buy Apple hardware, Apple developer licenses and Apple devices to test them
        the_other 6y ago
        > They can't not use it They could very well not use it. I’ve chosen not to develop (or learn how) iOS native apps. For now. Almost everything I want to do could be a web app and I’d take the cost of maintaining servers for shelf space, distribution and offline storage. I’d have to use email for notifications. Notifications are optional at point of consumption anyway so they can’t be relied upon, so this UX impairment is minor. The PWA argument doesn’t work for me. Most of the features I might choose to use PWA abilities for can be implemented in other ways.