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The only thing worse than eliminating the time shift, would be moving to permanent standard time (winter time). Make summer time (DST) permanent

recursive 6y ago
Strong disagree. Permanent winter time would be a huge improvement to currently. I'm not sure why people care which way it goes so much. Obviously, you're not losing total daylight either way. It's the shifting of schedules that causes problems. What difference does it make if the wall clock calls the time 7:00, 8:00, or purple:00?
- ponker 6y ago
  Because people have to be at work which is coordinated to a “9-5” office workday and that will be harder to change than a clock.
  - wnoise 6y ago
    > work which is coordinated to a “9-5” office workday and that will be harder to change than a clock. [citation needed]
  - _ph_ 6y ago
    Isn't 9-5 already a reaction to DST? At least here in Germany, office and school hours used to start at 8 or even before that. Stores also used to open at 8. Nowadays, most of that has slipped to later times, many stores only open at 10 now. And people work longer. There is also discussion, to shift school times to later. If we just to back to standard time, it is easy to go back to the "old" times once and stay there forever.
  - recursive 6y ago
    This is probably the root of the disagreement. I'm pretty confident 9-5 is easier to change than the existence of DST.
- jb775 6y ago
  Because most people roll out of bed and go to work for 8-9 hours and would like to see some sunlight before they roll back into bed.
  - toast0 6y ago
    When there's less than 8 hours of sunlight, you're not getting any outside of work hours. Sunlight is too valuable to be used for personal time.
    - benrbray 6y ago
      Most jobs don't depend on the sun, which is why most office workers don't get to enjoy windows. The jobs that do already have seasonally shifting hours. Permanent daylight time means that by default, everyone gets to enjoy more sun. Permanent winter time means that by default, everyone gets to enjoy one less hour of daylight by default, unless their company is charitable enough to shift their hours.
- CydeWeys 6y ago
  I'm with you here. My preference in order is: 1. Permanent daylight saving time. 2. Permanent standard time. 3. Changing between the two as we have now. It's the shift itself that I hate the most. Although without the shift, a lot of places are going to need to be more adjustable in their schedules, because some fixed times for doing things in the summer don't make sense in the winter, and vice-versa.

recursive 6y ago

Strong disagree. Permanent winter time would be a huge improvement to currently. I'm not sure why people care which way it goes so much. Obviously, you're not losing total daylight either way. It's the shifting of schedules that causes problems. What difference does it make if the wall clock calls the time 7:00, 8:00, or purple:00?

ponker 6y ago
Because people have to be at work which is coordinated to a “9-5” office workday and that will be harder to change than a clock.
- wnoise 6y ago
  > work which is coordinated to a “9-5” office workday and that will be harder to change than a clock. [citation needed]
- _ph_ 6y ago
  Isn't 9-5 already a reaction to DST? At least here in Germany, office and school hours used to start at 8 or even before that. Stores also used to open at 8. Nowadays, most of that has slipped to later times, many stores only open at 10 now. And people work longer. There is also discussion, to shift school times to later. If we just to back to standard time, it is easy to go back to the "old" times once and stay there forever.
- recursive 6y ago
  This is probably the root of the disagreement. I'm pretty confident 9-5 is easier to change than the existence of DST.
jb775 6y ago
Because most people roll out of bed and go to work for 8-9 hours and would like to see some sunlight before they roll back into bed.
- toast0 6y ago
  When there's less than 8 hours of sunlight, you're not getting any outside of work hours. Sunlight is too valuable to be used for personal time.
  - benrbray 6y ago
    Most jobs don't depend on the sun, which is why most office workers don't get to enjoy windows. The jobs that do already have seasonally shifting hours. Permanent daylight time means that by default, everyone gets to enjoy more sun. Permanent winter time means that by default, everyone gets to enjoy one less hour of daylight by default, unless their company is charitable enough to shift their hours.
CydeWeys 6y ago
I'm with you here. My preference in order is: 1. Permanent daylight saving time. 2. Permanent standard time. 3. Changing between the two as we have now. It's the shift itself that I hate the most. Although without the shift, a lot of places are going to need to be more adjustable in their schedules, because some fixed times for doing things in the summer don't make sense in the winter, and vice-versa.