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This is like in Amazon sold a fridge and said you can only shop at Whole Foods. Epic wants users to be able to shop at stores other than Whole Foods, not to be

This is like in Amazon sold a fridge and said you can only shop at Whole Foods. Epic wants users to be able to shop at stores other than Whole Foods, not to be carried at that store without a markup

nodamage 6y ago
The remedy in this scenario is to simply not buy Amazon fridges, not have the government step in and force Amazon to change its fridges. Legal intervention should not occur unless Amazon was the only fridge seller in the world.
- alexashka 6y ago
  You've described a monopoly. Please google duopoly now. Also feel free to familiarize yourself with this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_Litigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L... By your logic, companies should be able to price fix and collude in any way they see fit because it's more than one company. Facepalm.
  - nodamage 6y ago
    Nothing I said has anything to do with price fixing and collusion, so I am not sure why you are bringing it up. > Facepalm. This kind of snark is really unnecessary.
    - alexashka 6y ago
      > Nothing I said has anything to do with price fixing and collusion Let me take a breath and collect myself. > The remedy in this scenario is to simply not buy Amazon fridges, not have the government step in and force Amazon to change its fridges. If we have two companies that sell fridges and they've both agreed to not lower their prices and to not let people repair them, your solution is to not buy from company A? How does that solve anything when they're colluding with company B? That's called a duopoly - something I asked you to google. > Legal intervention should not occur unless Amazon was the only fridge seller in the world. Do you understand why this is wrong given what I've said above?
      - nodamage 6y ago
        You've added a number of details to this hypothetical scenario that weren't actually in the original scenario I was replying to. Let me go ahead and agree with you that if two companies have colluded to fix prices, then regardless of how big they are the government should indeed intervene.
  - dang 6y ago
    Would you please stop posting in the flamewar style? We've had to ask you many times. The snark here is not cool, and you've crossed into personal attack and did it again in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24313573 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24313573. We ban accounts that do these things. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd appreciate it.
nuker 6y ago
> This is like in Amazon sold a fridge and said you can only shop at Whole Foods. So why would anyone buy such fridge? And if they do, there clearly are other benefits, which you omitted.
- RonanTheGrey 6y ago
  My wife is absolutely obsessed with getting the latest iPhone when her current device (Android) either breaks or otherwise stops being useful. Her reason? "It's the best phone". Why? "Because it's super expensive". Why? "I don't know everyone says it's the best phone." It would surprise me if any conversation about why to buy an iPhone ever went deeper than that, 99.99999% of the time. The HN crowd is absolutely an exception to the typical buyer.
  - nuker 6y ago
    I think you may get better answers after she buys it.
  - uberduper 6y ago
    Does your wife approve of you depicting her this way online?
    - RonanTheGrey 6y ago
      In what way? The same way most people think about what phone they're going to buy? In no way have I indicated she isn't intelligent. She is. She just doesn't care to know that Apple uses a Qualcomm Snapdragon blah blah blah processor and investigate in depth their app store policies before buying one. And why should she? None of those things tell her "can I send pictures to my friends on Facebook? Can I check email? Will it work on my wifi?" And why should she wonder those things? What might blow your mind to think about is that her position is the rational one. We can't all be experts in every decision we make. While we might be tempted to (incorrectly) think that more information will inform a better decision, that is not always true and it can lull us into false confidence to believe it is. We rely on "crowdsourcing" knowledge and recommendations (we are, after all, social creatures, and our success as a species is 99.99% predicated on that sole factor) and that is what we do in many many areas of our lives.

This is like in Amazon sold a fridge and said you can only shop at Whole Foods. Epic wants users to be able to shop at stores other than Whole Foods, not to be carried at that store without a markup

nodamage 6y ago

The remedy in this scenario is to simply not buy Amazon fridges, not have the government step in and force Amazon to change its fridges. Legal intervention should not occur unless Amazon was the only fridge seller in the world.

alexashka 6y ago
You've described a monopoly. Please google duopoly now. Also feel free to familiarize yourself with this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_Litigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L... By your logic, companies should be able to price fix and collude in any way they see fit because it's more than one company. Facepalm.
- nodamage 6y ago
  Nothing I said has anything to do with price fixing and collusion, so I am not sure why you are bringing it up. > Facepalm. This kind of snark is really unnecessary.
  - alexashka 6y ago
    > Nothing I said has anything to do with price fixing and collusion Let me take a breath and collect myself. > The remedy in this scenario is to simply not buy Amazon fridges, not have the government step in and force Amazon to change its fridges. If we have two companies that sell fridges and they've both agreed to not lower their prices and to not let people repair them, your solution is to not buy from company A? How does that solve anything when they're colluding with company B? That's called a duopoly - something I asked you to google. > Legal intervention should not occur unless Amazon was the only fridge seller in the world. Do you understand why this is wrong given what I've said above?
    - nodamage 6y ago
      You've added a number of details to this hypothetical scenario that weren't actually in the original scenario I was replying to. Let me go ahead and agree with you that if two companies have colluded to fix prices, then regardless of how big they are the government should indeed intervene.
- dang 6y ago
  Would you please stop posting in the flamewar style? We've had to ask you many times. The snark here is not cool, and you've crossed into personal attack and did it again in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24313573 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24313573. We ban accounts that do these things. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd appreciate it.

nuker 6y ago

> This is like in Amazon sold a fridge and said you can only shop at Whole Foods. So why would anyone buy such fridge? And if they do, there clearly are other benefits, which you omitted.

RonanTheGrey 6y ago
My wife is absolutely obsessed with getting the latest iPhone when her current device (Android) either breaks or otherwise stops being useful. Her reason? "It's the best phone". Why? "Because it's super expensive". Why? "I don't know everyone says it's the best phone." It would surprise me if any conversation about why to buy an iPhone ever went deeper than that, 99.99999% of the time. The HN crowd is absolutely an exception to the typical buyer.
- nuker 6y ago
  I think you may get better answers after she buys it.
- uberduper 6y ago
  Does your wife approve of you depicting her this way online?
  - RonanTheGrey 6y ago
    In what way? The same way most people think about what phone they're going to buy? In no way have I indicated she isn't intelligent. She is. She just doesn't care to know that Apple uses a Qualcomm Snapdragon blah blah blah processor and investigate in depth their app store policies before buying one. And why should she? None of those things tell her "can I send pictures to my friends on Facebook? Can I check email? Will it work on my wifi?" And why should she wonder those things? What might blow your mind to think about is that her position is the rational one. We can't all be experts in every decision we make. While we might be tempted to (incorrectly) think that more information will inform a better decision, that is not always true and it can lull us into false confidence to believe it is. We rely on "crowdsourcing" knowledge and recommendations (we are, after all, social creatures, and our success as a species is 99.99% predicated on that sole factor) and that is what we do in many many areas of our lives.