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Well, how could Epic continue developing unreal engine for iOS without a developer account?

lights0123 6y ago
> Apple originally wanted to terminate the developer accounts of both Epic Games and Epic International, a separate account linked to Epic's Unreal Engine used by third-party app developers, but a judge issued a temporary restraining order preventing Apple from doing so.
- neurostimulant 6y ago
  But this it just a temporary restraining order, right? Not final yet? Epic's future on apple ecosystem is not clear yet.
m4rtink 6y ago
>Well, how could Epic continue developing unreal engine for iOS without a developer account? I thinl this nicely sumariges whats wrong - why the hell should one need an account somewhere to develop software for an OS! Thats a totally arbitrary limitation and as nicely illustrated by Apple - very very dangerous.
- JiNCMG 6y ago
  You need an account to develop for Xbox, Sony and Switch.
  - DangitBobby 6y ago
    The issue is not necessarily that you need an account, it's that punitive action is being taken against this other related account as a form of coercion/arbitrary punitive action. Imagine if your Gmail account was deleted because you made a nasty comment on YouTube. It would be a clear abuse of administrative power.
    - m4rtink 6y ago
      IIRC the Gmail & Youtube example is actually true - they are all a single Google account and if it gets blocked due to one service, you loose everything.
  - m4rtink 6y ago
    Sure and while that's still bad IMHO, for general purpose devices this should simply not be required ever. I can develop and distribute software for my tablet (Android), Notebook (Linux/Fedora), gaming PC (Windows), smartphone (Sailfish OS) or e-reader (Kobo) without the need to open an account with a third party and be at their mercy. Sure, in some cases a repo system account can make things easier, but I can just as well put the source and binaries on a website and any users wanting to use that will not be needlessly hindered by stupid OS maintainer policies.
floatboth 6y ago
Why would they need their own account to just develop the engine? They could use any employee's personal account, or a third party partner company's account, anything
- neurostimulant 6y ago
  Apple is know to cracking down abuse of developer accounts, so they could ended up playing cat and mouse game with apple. Also, the dev tools are probably licensed in a way that you can't use it legally after getting kicked out of apple dev program. Maybe epic can get around this by divesting unreal engine into a separate company. I think it's already done that (unreal is under epic international), but as apple was considering taking down epic international's account too, maybe that too is not enough.
  - floatboth 6y ago
    You can use Xcode and the SDKs without even having an account! A free account is required to sign code temporarily to run on test devices. Apple shouldn't even get to know what is being signed. Apple might be cracking down on people who sign apps for others as a service, publish signed stuff online, etc. but they literally have no way of preventing development of anything.

> Apple originally wanted to terminate the developer accounts of both Epic Games and Epic International, a separate account linked to Epic's Unreal Engine used by third-party app developers, but a judge issued a temporary restraining order preventing Apple from doing so.

neurostimulant 6y ago
But this it just a temporary restraining order, right? Not final yet? Epic's future on apple ecosystem is not clear yet.

m4rtink 6y ago

>Well, how could Epic continue developing unreal engine for iOS without a developer account? I thinl this nicely sumariges whats wrong - why the hell should one need an account somewhere to develop software for an OS! Thats a totally arbitrary limitation and as nicely illustrated by Apple - very very dangerous.

JiNCMG 6y ago
You need an account to develop for Xbox, Sony and Switch.
- DangitBobby 6y ago
  The issue is not necessarily that you need an account, it's that punitive action is being taken against this other related account as a form of coercion/arbitrary punitive action. Imagine if your Gmail account was deleted because you made a nasty comment on YouTube. It would be a clear abuse of administrative power.
  - m4rtink 6y ago
    IIRC the Gmail & Youtube example is actually true - they are all a single Google account and if it gets blocked due to one service, you loose everything.
- m4rtink 6y ago
  Sure and while that's still bad IMHO, for general purpose devices this should simply not be required ever. I can develop and distribute software for my tablet (Android), Notebook (Linux/Fedora), gaming PC (Windows), smartphone (Sailfish OS) or e-reader (Kobo) without the need to open an account with a third party and be at their mercy. Sure, in some cases a repo system account can make things easier, but I can just as well put the source and binaries on a website and any users wanting to use that will not be needlessly hindered by stupid OS maintainer policies.

floatboth 6y ago

Why would they need their own account to just develop the engine? They could use any employee's personal account, or a third party partner company's account, anything

neurostimulant 6y ago
Apple is know to cracking down abuse of developer accounts, so they could ended up playing cat and mouse game with apple. Also, the dev tools are probably licensed in a way that you can't use it legally after getting kicked out of apple dev program. Maybe epic can get around this by divesting unreal engine into a separate company. I think it's already done that (unreal is under epic international), but as apple was considering taking down epic international's account too, maybe that too is not enough.
- floatboth 6y ago
  You can use Xcode and the SDKs without even having an account! A free account is required to sign code temporarily to run on test devices. Apple shouldn't even get to know what is being signed. Apple might be cracking down on people who sign apps for others as a service, publish signed stuff online, etc. but they literally have no way of preventing development of anything.