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Sometimes I think that we are going to become the AI that Elon Musk is trying to prepare us to fight against to. This technology is literally opening pandora's

by ofou 6y ago

Sometimes I think that we are going to become the AI that Elon Musk is trying to prepare us to fight against to. This technology is literally opening pandora's box. Both the amazing and scariest thing in the world will come out. Pretty crazy times we are living. Cannot highlight this enough, we're summoning the demon hacking our brains.

colordrops 6y ago
If AI becomes vastly more intelligent than humans as he predicts, a neural implant is nothing more than a teddy bear to make us feel better. If we augment ourselves with AI, our expanded selves will see the brain as vestigial and slowing us down, eventually excising it, then we become full machines. In a way, transitioning like this, rather than only creating non-human AI in parallel, would hopefully transfer some of our humanity into the machines. In any case we would look back at this transition as a natural metamorphosis. I wouldn't be surprised if this metamorphosis is a natural emergent phenomenon among civilizations across the universe.
- ofou 6y ago
  My point is that Human + AI = AI. There's no AI around the corner as far as we know, but you can argue that the portion of machine intelligence is growing at a crazy rate. So, we're becoming slowly an AI as you correctly pointed out, maybe it's just plain evolution. I wonder if no AI comes out after all (by itself), we'll be the One created through ourselves.
  - metroholografix 6y ago
    The AI is already here. It's called technocapitalism. We're not becoming an AI, we're being controlled and modified by one, so as to better fit its teleology.
    - nickik 6y ago
      Is anybody else sick about literally everything people don't like being <xy>capitalism?
      - defterGoose 6y ago
        I'm more sick of <xy>capitalism being a thing that people like unconditionally.
        spoopyskelly 6y ago
        Posting on HN is the height of capitalism.
  - bioipbiop 6y ago
    I disagree, Humans already have a neural interface with AI via the visual cortex and the auditory nerve. You are forming a neural link with an AI when you have a conversation with your Google Home. I imagine a electrode neural link would with much the same way, but faster and less disruptive. Humans would off load tasks like: information discovery, complex mathematical calculations, and making arrangements for holidays to their AI companion.
    - colordrops 6y ago
      Big difference is that devices that work with these interfaces (i.e. screens and speakers) are loosely coupled and maintain context with the rest of the environment. You can remove yourself from their influence in an instant.
      - bioipbiop 6y ago
        I disagree with the premise that the fact that I can see my living room in my peripheral vision reduces the influence of my media consumption.
    - ofou 6y ago
      The kwown argument that <<you're already a cyborg>> seems to fit nicely with the current status of humanity. The problem I see lies when you decide to integrate these machine learning models (not "sentient" AIs) as part of neural substrate at a convinient broader bandwidth. We are already seen the disasters of biases, filter bubbles and many more to come. There is a huge gap between a cyborg (or Augmented human) and an AGI. The latter doesn't exist yet but we are slowly building it through the links of our mind. That is both the real summoning the demon and quantum leap of faith in evolution.
      - bioipbiop 6y ago
        I see the topics of biased information and neural input bandwidth as unrelated as the current rate of bandwidth is sufficient. As you mentioned, humans have repeatedly demonstrated the ability to whip themselves up into a frenzy throughout all of recorded history. So it’s a bit strange to suggest we shouldn’t adopt a technology on the basis that it might encourage us to do what we are already doing. Also filter bubbles in media have generally been created by quite basic algorithms that only meet the definition of AI when you really stretch it. You might argue that a more advanced AI might create more toxic bubbles, but it seems to me that our society has just about perfected toxic bubble creation and any further advancements in the field would suffer severely from diminishing returns.
  - babesh 6y ago
    Human society is part AI already. Humans to human society is as cells to a human being.
- babesh 6y ago
  I think another possibility is that connection of our brains to a primitive AI will boot the AI with some human intelligence. Also, an AI based on current silicon seems very fragile. It could make sense for AIs to build synthetic biological bodies.
tsimionescu 6y ago
Don't worry, we and our children and grandchildren will be long dead before the first general AI and/or brain-computer interface (at the level of thought, not motor control) ever happen. I feel people are vastly under-estimating just how complex general intelligence is. Even simplistic intelligence like what you find in a worm is far beyond us, not to mention insects. Thinking that we could decode human thought out of electrical signals in the brain at this stage of our understanding is like the ancient Greeks thinking they could build a rocket to the moon.

by ofou 6y ago

colordrops 6y ago

If AI becomes vastly more intelligent than humans as he predicts, a neural implant is nothing more than a teddy bear to make us feel better. If we augment ourselves with AI, our expanded selves will see the brain as vestigial and slowing us down, eventually excising it, then we become full machines. In a way, transitioning like this, rather than only creating non-human AI in parallel, would hopefully transfer some of our humanity into the machines. In any case we would look back at this transition as a natural metamorphosis. I wouldn't be surprised if this metamorphosis is a natural emergent phenomenon among civilizations across the universe.

ofou 6y ago
My point is that Human + AI = AI. There's no AI around the corner as far as we know, but you can argue that the portion of machine intelligence is growing at a crazy rate. So, we're becoming slowly an AI as you correctly pointed out, maybe it's just plain evolution. I wonder if no AI comes out after all (by itself), we'll be the One created through ourselves.
- metroholografix 6y ago
  The AI is already here. It's called technocapitalism. We're not becoming an AI, we're being controlled and modified by one, so as to better fit its teleology.
  - nickik 6y ago
    Is anybody else sick about literally everything people don't like being <xy>capitalism?
    - defterGoose 6y ago
      I'm more sick of <xy>capitalism being a thing that people like unconditionally.
      - spoopyskelly 6y ago
        Posting on HN is the height of capitalism.
- bioipbiop 6y ago
  I disagree, Humans already have a neural interface with AI via the visual cortex and the auditory nerve. You are forming a neural link with an AI when you have a conversation with your Google Home. I imagine a electrode neural link would with much the same way, but faster and less disruptive. Humans would off load tasks like: information discovery, complex mathematical calculations, and making arrangements for holidays to their AI companion.
  - colordrops 6y ago
    Big difference is that devices that work with these interfaces (i.e. screens and speakers) are loosely coupled and maintain context with the rest of the environment. You can remove yourself from their influence in an instant.
    - bioipbiop 6y ago
      I disagree with the premise that the fact that I can see my living room in my peripheral vision reduces the influence of my media consumption.
  - ofou 6y ago
    The kwown argument that <<you're already a cyborg>> seems to fit nicely with the current status of humanity. The problem I see lies when you decide to integrate these machine learning models (not "sentient" AIs) as part of neural substrate at a convinient broader bandwidth. We are already seen the disasters of biases, filter bubbles and many more to come. There is a huge gap between a cyborg (or Augmented human) and an AGI. The latter doesn't exist yet but we are slowly building it through the links of our mind. That is both the real summoning the demon and quantum leap of faith in evolution.
    - bioipbiop 6y ago
      I see the topics of biased information and neural input bandwidth as unrelated as the current rate of bandwidth is sufficient. As you mentioned, humans have repeatedly demonstrated the ability to whip themselves up into a frenzy throughout all of recorded history. So it’s a bit strange to suggest we shouldn’t adopt a technology on the basis that it might encourage us to do what we are already doing. Also filter bubbles in media have generally been created by quite basic algorithms that only meet the definition of AI when you really stretch it. You might argue that a more advanced AI might create more toxic bubbles, but it seems to me that our society has just about perfected toxic bubble creation and any further advancements in the field would suffer severely from diminishing returns.
- babesh 6y ago
  Human society is part AI already. Humans to human society is as cells to a human being.
babesh 6y ago
I think another possibility is that connection of our brains to a primitive AI will boot the AI with some human intelligence. Also, an AI based on current silicon seems very fragile. It could make sense for AIs to build synthetic biological bodies.

tsimionescu 6y ago

Don't worry, we and our children and grandchildren will be long dead before the first general AI and/or brain-computer interface (at the level of thought, not motor control) ever happen. I feel people are vastly under-estimating just how complex general intelligence is. Even simplistic intelligence like what you find in a worm is far beyond us, not to mention insects. Thinking that we could decode human thought out of electrical signals in the brain at this stage of our understanding is like the ancient Greeks thinking they could build a rocket to the moon.