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> if Epic wins this battle Apple That's a big IF. You will find it damn-near-impossible to have any legal standing when you willfully violate the terms of serv

by urda 6y ago

> if Epic wins this battle Apple That's a big IF. You will find it damn-near-impossible to have any legal standing when you willfully violate the terms of service with a provider as openly as Epic did. Apple is fully in the right here, and as a consumer I'm glad Apple isn't messing around with their software security. What Epic did was down right sneaky, and they are (rightfully) being punished for it. Epic started this mess, the law and legal judgements have made it very clear how they could have avoided this, and they didn't. Your feelings, personal device choices do not change facts.

mantap 6y ago
Contracts are not laws, if you breech a contract then one of the possible outcomes is that you will end up in court arguing whether the contract is valid. That is what happened in this case. The law would be especially toothless if you had to obey a contract in order to dispute its validity.
- urda 6y ago
  > Contracts are not laws But laws govern them nonetheless https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_contract_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_contract_law for starters. The court told Epic how to get in compliance with Apple, they refused, Apple in their terms clearly states they have the right to terminate their account. That's the facts of the case, it doesn't matter what anyone feels.
- ghayes 6y ago
  This topic has been brought up a lot in these conversations and I’ve missed the substance. Which laws do we suspect Apple may have broken with their App Store contracts?
  - mantap 6y ago
    You can read Epic's court filing but the tl;dr is that Epic alleges that the terms of the contract restrict Epic and other parties from competing with Apple, that Apple uses their market power in one area to get an unfair advantage in other areas (such as payment processing), and they cite the Sherman act as the primary legal basis of their claim that those terms are illegal. This case is likely to last for years so it is very much too soon to be predicting who will win.

by urda 6y ago

mantap 6y ago

Contracts are not laws, if you breech a contract then one of the possible outcomes is that you will end up in court arguing whether the contract is valid. That is what happened in this case. The law would be especially toothless if you had to obey a contract in order to dispute its validity.

urda 6y ago
> Contracts are not laws But laws govern them nonetheless https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_contract_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_contract_law for starters. The court told Epic how to get in compliance with Apple, they refused, Apple in their terms clearly states they have the right to terminate their account. That's the facts of the case, it doesn't matter what anyone feels.
ghayes 6y ago
This topic has been brought up a lot in these conversations and I’ve missed the substance. Which laws do we suspect Apple may have broken with their App Store contracts?
- mantap 6y ago
  You can read Epic's court filing but the tl;dr is that Epic alleges that the terms of the contract restrict Epic and other parties from competing with Apple, that Apple uses their market power in one area to get an unfair advantage in other areas (such as payment processing), and they cite the Sherman act as the primary legal basis of their claim that those terms are illegal. This case is likely to last for years so it is very much too soon to be predicting who will win.