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I guess I just don't see why they should be required to support those other things. I agree that they could do that, but I don't see the reason to force them to

I guess I just don't see why they should be required to support those other things. I agree that they could do that, but I don't see the reason to force them to. They created what they wanted because they didn't like the current offerings at the time–Epic or anyone else is free to do the same.

AnthonyMouse 6y ago
> I guess I just don't see why they should be required to support those other things. Because not supporting them is anti-competitive. Markets require competition to operate. It is obviously not feasible for an individual app developer to build their own phone hardware and operating system and convince everyone to switch to it from iPhones just in order to avoid Apple's app distribution system, so requiring that is unreasonable.
- threeseed 6y ago
  But you've arbitrarily defined what a market is. By this tortured logic Tesla should be forced to have a marketplace of self-driving implementations which their cars must support because that is technically a market. And they must not unfairly promote Autopilot.
  - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
    > But you've arbitrarily defined what a market is. It's not arbitrary. It's based on whether there are reasonable substitutes. Exxon is a reasonable substitute for Chevron when buying gasoline for your 2020 Ford F150, because you can use either one. Google Play is not a reasonable substitute for the Apple App Store when buying apps for your 2020 Apple iPhone, because you can't actually use it for that. > By this tortured logic Tesla should be forced to have a marketplace of self-driving implementations which their cars must support because that is technically a market. It has nothing to do with forcing them to do something. They just shouldn't be able to prevent someone else from producing an autopilot implementation for their cars. And what's so unreasonable about that? It's plainly anti-competitive.

AnthonyMouse 6y ago

> I guess I just don't see why they should be required to support those other things. Because not supporting them is anti-competitive. Markets require competition to operate. It is obviously not feasible for an individual app developer to build their own phone hardware and operating system and convince everyone to switch to it from iPhones just in order to avoid Apple's app distribution system, so requiring that is unreasonable.

threeseed 6y ago
But you've arbitrarily defined what a market is. By this tortured logic Tesla should be forced to have a marketplace of self-driving implementations which their cars must support because that is technically a market. And they must not unfairly promote Autopilot.
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago
  > But you've arbitrarily defined what a market is. It's not arbitrary. It's based on whether there are reasonable substitutes. Exxon is a reasonable substitute for Chevron when buying gasoline for your 2020 Ford F150, because you can use either one. Google Play is not a reasonable substitute for the Apple App Store when buying apps for your 2020 Apple iPhone, because you can't actually use it for that. > By this tortured logic Tesla should be forced to have a marketplace of self-driving implementations which their cars must support because that is technically a market. It has nothing to do with forcing them to do something. They just shouldn't be able to prevent someone else from producing an autopilot implementation for their cars. And what's so unreasonable about that? It's plainly anti-competitive.