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Oh, I don't know. They could ask the developer for a fee. How about that? To answer your question, yes, Apple should be forced to allow other payment system. T

by yyyk 6y ago

Oh, I don't know. They could ask the developer for a fee. How about that? To answer your question, yes, Apple should be forced to allow other payment system. The current anti-competitive arrangement both disadvantages non-Apple payment systems, and prevents users from switching to Android if they wish (since subscriptions are managed by Apple, and it difficult to access that without an Apple device...).

thrwn_frthr_awy 6y ago
> Oh, I don't know. They could ask the developer for a fee. How about that? Yes, they could do that. I just don't understand the reason why they should be forced to.
- yyyk 6y ago
  Because their current behaviour is anti-competitive rent-seeking, and limits innovation. Anti-competitive by mandating use of their products, rent seeking because 30% is absurd (but alas legal), and as one twitter thread pointed out, if the web hadn't already existed, no existing web browser could possibly have passed Apple's app store policies.
  - thrwn_frthr_awy 6y ago
    I guess I don't see them mandating the use of their products. You can have your app on iOS or not. I just don't see the moral issue here. They've never raised the prices and have had this price since they had 0 3rd party apps so I have a hard time seeing it as rent seeking. Do they make a lot of money? Yes, they do, but is that enough to force them not too? I'm just not convinced of that yet.
    - yyyk 6y ago
      Apple are mandating the use of their Apple ID and Apple Payment System (aka products). The first might have a security rational, the second does not, yet devs must pay Apple's fees even if they are higher than alternatives[, a defacto price raise]. It used to be possible to get payments on iOS going without using Apple's payments, before Apple set their eyes upon that market.
james_pm 6y ago
Put Fortnite into a box and put it on the shelf at a store which will take 30% in margin on that sale (probably more). Should that store also be forced to allow buyers to purchase it off their store shelf through a payment to someone else? Of course not.
- yyyk 6y ago
  It's payment in-app that are the issue, not payments to the store. Apple played no role in generating these in-app payments, and shouldn't have the right to mandate use of its payment solution. If you bought Fortnite at a store, would the store get money over purchases made later inside the Fortnite application? Of course not.

by yyyk 6y ago

thrwn_frthr_awy 6y ago

> Oh, I don't know. They could ask the developer for a fee. How about that? Yes, they could do that. I just don't understand the reason why they should be forced to.

yyyk 6y ago
Because their current behaviour is anti-competitive rent-seeking, and limits innovation. Anti-competitive by mandating use of their products, rent seeking because 30% is absurd (but alas legal), and as one twitter thread pointed out, if the web hadn't already existed, no existing web browser could possibly have passed Apple's app store policies.
- thrwn_frthr_awy 6y ago
  I guess I don't see them mandating the use of their products. You can have your app on iOS or not. I just don't see the moral issue here. They've never raised the prices and have had this price since they had 0 3rd party apps so I have a hard time seeing it as rent seeking. Do they make a lot of money? Yes, they do, but is that enough to force them not too? I'm just not convinced of that yet.
  - yyyk 6y ago
    Apple are mandating the use of their Apple ID and Apple Payment System (aka products). The first might have a security rational, the second does not, yet devs must pay Apple's fees even if they are higher than alternatives[, a defacto price raise]. It used to be possible to get payments on iOS going without using Apple's payments, before Apple set their eyes upon that market.

james_pm 6y ago

Put Fortnite into a box and put it on the shelf at a store which will take 30% in margin on that sale (probably more). Should that store also be forced to allow buyers to purchase it off their store shelf through a payment to someone else? Of course not.

yyyk 6y ago
It's payment in-app that are the issue, not payments to the store. Apple played no role in generating these in-app payments, and shouldn't have the right to mandate use of its payment solution. If you bought Fortnite at a store, would the store get money over purchases made later inside the Fortnite application? Of course not.