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Microsoft takes 30% on Xbox plus its much more expensive to develop and publish on that platform overall. Neither Tinder nor Spotify will transfer any savings

Microsoft takes 30% on Xbox plus its much more expensive to develop and publish on that platform overall. Neither Tinder nor Spotify will transfer any savings to the end users. Spotify has been ramping their sub costs considerably my sub went up by like 150% in the UK over the past 3-4 years. Tinder employs discriminatory pricing by charging certain genders, age groups and sexual orientations more for their premium services. How Tinder hasn’t been sued to oblivion I’m still not sure it seems to violate even US anti discrimination laws, I guess were lucky that they don’t employ differential pricing based on race yet.

MaximumMadness 6y ago
To clarify, these companies are certainly not absolved of doing the same exact thing, but the current news isn't about them, it's about Apple, and they're going to make good use of that
- dogma1138 6y ago
  These are all opportunistic companies that don’t care about consumers which have the same or worse overall practices than Apple.
chrisco255 6y ago
https://www.xbox.com/en-us/Developers/id https://www.xbox.com/en-us/Developers/id Indie devs can publish on Xbox for a token fee (no % of revenue taken).
- dogma1138 6y ago
  See this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24310823 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24310823
shajznnckfke 6y ago
If you’re claiming that Spotify would get all the benefit of a break in the fee, you’re implicitly claiming that it bears all the economic burden of the fee (ie. it doesn’t pass on the fee to users). Spotify currently charges $13 to sign up in iOS and $10 to sign up on the web. This is strong evidence that Spotify is currently passing through the fee to users. It seems much more likely that Spotify would give iOS users a price break if the fee was cut. Music streaming is a competitive market, so they don’t have much choice if everyone gets the same break.
- dehrmann 6y ago
  Especially when Apple Music is $10 per month, Spotify needs to more or less match that price. The problem is if Apple takes 30% and Spotify pays out 70% (old info, maybe this has changed) to labels, Spotify is left with $0. It drops to 15% after the first year, but that's still not good compared to the 3% major credit card processors charge.
  - Spivak 6y ago
    Regulators won’t see it like that because you didn’t factor in opportunity cost. If Apple takes one of Spotify’s customers then not only do they lose out on the 30% but they’ve just taken on the burden of providing the actual service to the customer. So Apple not only has to make a profit but make more profit than the 30% would have gotten them. And music streaming is a competitive business. Do you never think how Kroger brand products don’t run into the same issue?
  - foepys 6y ago
    Just for reference: the EU has capped credit and debit card transaction fees at 0.2 and 0.3% and both are still profitable.
simongr3dal 6y ago
> Microsoft takes 30% on Xbox plus its much more expensive to develop and publish on that platform overall. And yet Epic has beef with Apple. So Microsoft must managed their relationship better than Apple has done to make Epic satisfied enough to not pull a stunt like they have with Apple.
nojs 6y ago
Do you have a source with more info about Tinder pricing based on gender and sexual orientation?
- dogma1138 6y ago
  https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8618343/amp/Tinder-Plus-costs-youre-straight-man-aged-50-investigation-finds.html https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti... This has been a known thing for ages since they introduced it in 2015.
627467 6y ago
Who's closer to hegemony of those you listed? Apple is definitely first in the list IMO
dehrmann 6y ago
> my sub went up by like 150% in the UK over the past 3-4 years. Spotify is currently £9.99/mo, same as 2015. https://www.spotify.com/uk/premium/ https://www.spotify.com/uk/premium/ https://web.archive.org/web/20150208012649/https://www.spotify.com/uk/premium/ https://web.archive.org/web/20150208012649/https://www.spoti... Unless you mean on Apple Pay.

MaximumMadness 6y ago

To clarify, these companies are certainly not absolved of doing the same exact thing, but the current news isn't about them, it's about Apple, and they're going to make good use of that

dogma1138 6y ago
These are all opportunistic companies that don’t care about consumers which have the same or worse overall practices than Apple.

chrisco255 6y ago

https://www.xbox.com/en-us/Developers/id https://www.xbox.com/en-us/Developers/id Indie devs can publish on Xbox for a token fee (no % of revenue taken).

dogma1138 6y ago
See this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24310823 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24310823

shajznnckfke 6y ago

If you’re claiming that Spotify would get all the benefit of a break in the fee, you’re implicitly claiming that it bears all the economic burden of the fee (ie. it doesn’t pass on the fee to users). Spotify currently charges $13 to sign up in iOS and $10 to sign up on the web. This is strong evidence that Spotify is currently passing through the fee to users. It seems much more likely that Spotify would give iOS users a price break if the fee was cut. Music streaming is a competitive market, so they don’t have much choice if everyone gets the same break.

dehrmann 6y ago
Especially when Apple Music is $10 per month, Spotify needs to more or less match that price. The problem is if Apple takes 30% and Spotify pays out 70% (old info, maybe this has changed) to labels, Spotify is left with $0. It drops to 15% after the first year, but that's still not good compared to the 3% major credit card processors charge.
- Spivak 6y ago
  Regulators won’t see it like that because you didn’t factor in opportunity cost. If Apple takes one of Spotify’s customers then not only do they lose out on the 30% but they’ve just taken on the burden of providing the actual service to the customer. So Apple not only has to make a profit but make more profit than the 30% would have gotten them. And music streaming is a competitive business. Do you never think how Kroger brand products don’t run into the same issue?
- foepys 6y ago
  Just for reference: the EU has capped credit and debit card transaction fees at 0.2 and 0.3% and both are still profitable.

simongr3dal 6y ago

> Microsoft takes 30% on Xbox plus its much more expensive to develop and publish on that platform overall. And yet Epic has beef with Apple. So Microsoft must managed their relationship better than Apple has done to make Epic satisfied enough to not pull a stunt like they have with Apple.

nojs 6y ago

Do you have a source with more info about Tinder pricing based on gender and sexual orientation?

dogma1138 6y ago
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8618343/amp/Tinder-Plus-costs-youre-straight-man-aged-50-investigation-finds.html https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti... This has been a known thing for ages since they introduced it in 2015.

627467 6y ago

Who's closer to hegemony of those you listed? Apple is definitely first in the list IMO

dehrmann 6y ago

> my sub went up by like 150% in the UK over the past 3-4 years. Spotify is currently £9.99/mo, same as 2015. https://www.spotify.com/uk/premium/ https://www.spotify.com/uk/premium/ https://web.archive.org/web/20150208012649/https://www.spotify.com/uk/premium/ https://web.archive.org/web/20150208012649/https://www.spoti... Unless you mean on Apple Pay.