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I think you were a bit unfair because this is Miguel de Icaza, Google him up. He has probably invested (both in money directly and/or programming hours) into EV

I think you were a bit unfair because this is Miguel de Icaza, Google him up. He has probably invested (both in money directly and/or programming hours) into EVERY ecosystem you can think of in the last 25 years, paid and unpaid ones.

orand 6y ago
Agreed. Coming from Miguel, this has 100x the weight of some random schmoe on the internet. Tons of respect for what he's done over his career, and his position on technology and freedom issues.
- craigsmansion 6y ago
  >and his position on technology and freedom issues. In the linked article he is cheerleading in favour of closed-off platforms, and promotes ceding control of your software to a third party as a good thing. But even before this Miguel de Icaza had no integrity left to speak of in my opinion. Some random schmoe actually would have been more believable.
  - spfzero 6y ago
    Well, the alternative we all face is ceding control to many various hidden, anonymous, and often malicious actors. Thereis a lot at risk: your privacy, avoidance of falsified information, your possessions. I am all for closing that off.
    - nix23 6y ago
      >Thereis a lot at risk: your privacy, avoidance of falsified information Like Facebook Google and Amazon?
  - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
    I understand this is HN but we need to have some perspective. Go talk to the consumer. I'd be willing to bet not a lot care about "ceding control of their software." The amount that do, don't matter that much. Time and time again people on here bloviate about topics such as these, but no action is ever taken. In fact, many on here are just working on more data collecting, more adtech, working at the FAANGs themselves. They tout Data science and ML but somehow want privacy, despite the fact that they rely on the data generated by all of these apps. This developer utopia doesn't exist and never will. It's best we all be realistic about this reality and understand that just because you can put up with command line doesn't mean Joe from Turtle Creek PA wants to to look at email. And he's willing to give up something for that.
  - nix23 6y ago
    >But even before this Miguel de Icaza had no integrity left to speak of in my opinion Yes that, for me he always was on the side which had the most money, before it was Microsoft (.NET is the coolest thing ever...that was before Nadella) and after he sold Mono, Apple is the new cool shit...did he already praised Swift for being the coolest thing ever?
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m463 6y ago
You are making an Appeal to Authority. Privacy is a tough problem - I know many people - very intelligent people - who have given up and have figured out their compromise. I use apple devices, and although I see their good points and bad points, I think pro-privacy is apple marketing rhetoric. (examples: no firewall possible on ios; "content blockers" are opt-out -- with no way to determine the sites being visited; apple creation of iBeacons plus no ability to turn off bluetooth in quick settings; more dark patterns as time goes on)
- jmnicolas 6y ago
  > very intelligent people I don't think being intelligent and standing for your values is related. They just chose the easy path over the uncomfortable one, the only difference with someone dumb is that they knew what they were doing (and so have no excuse). I'm not throwing stones at them, I did the same exact choice and I don't feel particularly good about it. I use the 2 most privacy abusive OS there is, Windows and Android and I so distrust them that I can't even have a diary.

orand 6y ago

Agreed. Coming from Miguel, this has 100x the weight of some random schmoe on the internet. Tons of respect for what he's done over his career, and his position on technology and freedom issues.

craigsmansion 6y ago
>and his position on technology and freedom issues. In the linked article he is cheerleading in favour of closed-off platforms, and promotes ceding control of your software to a third party as a good thing. But even before this Miguel de Icaza had no integrity left to speak of in my opinion. Some random schmoe actually would have been more believable.
- spfzero 6y ago
  Well, the alternative we all face is ceding control to many various hidden, anonymous, and often malicious actors. Thereis a lot at risk: your privacy, avoidance of falsified information, your possessions. I am all for closing that off.
  - nix23 6y ago
    >Thereis a lot at risk: your privacy, avoidance of falsified information Like Facebook Google and Amazon?
- ntsplnkv2 6y ago
  I understand this is HN but we need to have some perspective. Go talk to the consumer. I'd be willing to bet not a lot care about "ceding control of their software." The amount that do, don't matter that much. Time and time again people on here bloviate about topics such as these, but no action is ever taken. In fact, many on here are just working on more data collecting, more adtech, working at the FAANGs themselves. They tout Data science and ML but somehow want privacy, despite the fact that they rely on the data generated by all of these apps. This developer utopia doesn't exist and never will. It's best we all be realistic about this reality and understand that just because you can put up with command line doesn't mean Joe from Turtle Creek PA wants to to look at email. And he's willing to give up something for that.
- nix23 6y ago
  >But even before this Miguel de Icaza had no integrity left to speak of in my opinion Yes that, for me he always was on the side which had the most money, before it was Microsoft (.NET is the coolest thing ever...that was before Nadella) and after he sold Mono, Apple is the new cool shit...did he already praised Swift for being the coolest thing ever?

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m463 6y ago

You are making an Appeal to Authority. Privacy is a tough problem - I know many people - very intelligent people - who have given up and have figured out their compromise. I use apple devices, and although I see their good points and bad points, I think pro-privacy is apple marketing rhetoric. (examples: no firewall possible on ios; "content blockers" are opt-out -- with no way to determine the sites being visited; apple creation of iBeacons plus no ability to turn off bluetooth in quick settings; more dark patterns as time goes on)

jmnicolas 6y ago
> very intelligent people I don't think being intelligent and standing for your values is related. They just chose the easy path over the uncomfortable one, the only difference with someone dumb is that they knew what they were doing (and so have no excuse). I'm not throwing stones at them, I did the same exact choice and I don't feel particularly good about it. I use the 2 most privacy abusive OS there is, Windows and Android and I so distrust them that I can't even have a diary.