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BS, people use what works, it's just video calls. What I find most bizarre is why zoom is on top, this is probably a lesson in how powerful marketing and timin

by tomxor 6y ago

BS, people use what works, it's just video calls. What I find most bizarre is why zoom is on top, this is probably a lesson in how powerful marketing and timing can be for some types of products... But as a counter example: everyone at my company has ended up using google meets, just because through trial and error it fails the least and is the easiest for everyone to get into. The last time I tried zoom for an external meeting and it was a nightmare, it felt like I had to jump through 10 hoops just to get into the frickin meeting, and even then 4/5 people couldn't get it to pick up their microphone through the browser API.

reaperducer 6y ago
this is probably a lesson in how powerful marketing and timing can be No, it's a lesson in how powerful "just working" works.
- tomxor 6y ago
  Except all of my colleagues and I have the opposite experience.
larrik 6y ago
Juggling my work with my kids' schools, I've been monitoring bandwidth, and Zoom is a small fraction of the bandwidth of Google Meet, with better performance to boot.
sukilot 6y ago
Marketing and Timing? Zoom was founded 9 years ago, from a team that built Webex for 13 years prior. They've been making videoconferencing software for 22 years.
- tomxor 6y ago
  Oh webex... I remember that, also something that never worked properly. Marketing and timing can still have everything to do with their success btw, even if they had a 9 year run up.
fsflover 6y ago
> BS, people use what works, it's just video calls. It's not "just video calls". It's nonfree software belonging to a large for-profit company with huge power of developers over users. It will not end well. It's not the first time it happens. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-important.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-impor...
- barbs 6y ago
  I think what he meant was that most users of zoom just see it as reasonably easy way to get into a video call with multiple people that just works (for the most part). If jitsi scaled just as well as zoom and used the same amount of client-side resources, nearly everyone would use that instead. There's nothing to install so people would barely even know hey were using a platform

by tomxor 6y ago

reaperducer 6y ago

this is probably a lesson in how powerful marketing and timing can be No, it's a lesson in how powerful "just working" works.

tomxor 6y ago
Except all of my colleagues and I have the opposite experience.

larrik 6y ago

Juggling my work with my kids' schools, I've been monitoring bandwidth, and Zoom is a small fraction of the bandwidth of Google Meet, with better performance to boot.

sukilot 6y ago

Marketing and Timing? Zoom was founded 9 years ago, from a team that built Webex for 13 years prior. They've been making videoconferencing software for 22 years.

tomxor 6y ago
Oh webex... I remember that, also something that never worked properly. Marketing and timing can still have everything to do with their success btw, even if they had a 9 year run up.

fsflover 6y ago

> BS, people use what works, it's just video calls. It's not "just video calls". It's nonfree software belonging to a large for-profit company with huge power of developers over users. It will not end well. It's not the first time it happens. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-important.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-impor...

barbs 6y ago
I think what he meant was that most users of zoom just see it as reasonably easy way to get into a video call with multiple people that just works (for the most part). If jitsi scaled just as well as zoom and used the same amount of client-side resources, nearly everyone would use that instead. There's nothing to install so people would barely even know hey were using a platform