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Can we try to make Facebook responsible for every damn thing that happens on their platform?

nickff 6y ago
The problem is that excessive blaming will foster high levels of risk aversion, as seen in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24304275 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24304275
- JamisonM 6y ago
  This is a case of advocating to suppress one kind of speech because it will lead to the suppression of another kind of speech. So maybe there isn't a problem here? If the act of criticizing Facebook changes Facebook's behaviour because we've observed people are doing bad things linked to Facebook's current practices that is just the marketplace of ideas in action, isn't it?
  - nickff 6y ago
    >"This is a case of advocating to suppress one kind of speech because it will lead to the suppression of another kind of speech. So maybe there isn't a problem here?" >"If the act of criticizing Facebook changes Facebook's behaviour because we've observed people are doing bad things linked to Facebook's current practices that is just the marketplace of ideas in action, isn't it?" I don't understand what you're trying to say; perhaps you could clarify what you mean by adding some punctuation to your second paragraph.
    - JamisonM 6y ago
      "Excessive blaming" is just another kind of speech. If people observe bad things happening because of stuff going on on the Facebook platform and engage is excessive blaming that's just speech. If Facebook becomes averse to risks with respect to what is on their platform, that is just Facebook being responsive to customer concerns. You're just not going to have a platform where this relationship doesn't exist, there's always mods.. we need 'em.
basch 6y ago
Telephone companies and email providers as well. Full transparency, no encryption, proactive censorship for the purpose of safety and protection. They shouldnt be letting anything dangerous over their tubes ever, and we shouldnt be tolerating their facilitation of violence.
- JamisonM 6y ago
  The accusations are not "facilitation" so much as "promotion". Allowing Militia and QAnon groups/accounts/pages to exist might be one kind of bad, actively promoting them to improve engagement and ad sales is a different level.

The problem is that excessive blaming will foster high levels of risk aversion, as seen in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24304275 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24304275

JamisonM 6y ago
This is a case of advocating to suppress one kind of speech because it will lead to the suppression of another kind of speech. So maybe there isn't a problem here? If the act of criticizing Facebook changes Facebook's behaviour because we've observed people are doing bad things linked to Facebook's current practices that is just the marketplace of ideas in action, isn't it?
- nickff 6y ago
  >"This is a case of advocating to suppress one kind of speech because it will lead to the suppression of another kind of speech. So maybe there isn't a problem here?" >"If the act of criticizing Facebook changes Facebook's behaviour because we've observed people are doing bad things linked to Facebook's current practices that is just the marketplace of ideas in action, isn't it?" I don't understand what you're trying to say; perhaps you could clarify what you mean by adding some punctuation to your second paragraph.
  - JamisonM 6y ago
    "Excessive blaming" is just another kind of speech. If people observe bad things happening because of stuff going on on the Facebook platform and engage is excessive blaming that's just speech. If Facebook becomes averse to risks with respect to what is on their platform, that is just Facebook being responsive to customer concerns. You're just not going to have a platform where this relationship doesn't exist, there's always mods.. we need 'em.

basch 6y ago

Telephone companies and email providers as well. Full transparency, no encryption, proactive censorship for the purpose of safety and protection. They shouldnt be letting anything dangerous over their tubes ever, and we shouldnt be tolerating their facilitation of violence.

JamisonM 6y ago
The accusations are not "facilitation" so much as "promotion". Allowing Militia and QAnon groups/accounts/pages to exist might be one kind of bad, actively promoting them to improve engagement and ad sales is a different level.