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> I'm not sure if that is clear to outsiders Depends a bit on the outsider, I think. Also to which extend they might be a product of their own country's propag

> I'm not sure if that is clear to outsiders Depends a bit on the outsider, I think. Also to which extend they might be a product of their own country's propaganda. To me it certainly is clear, even from people I personally know. However, I do think that it might be only of limited relevance. That is, if these reasonable people have virtually no chance to bring about any substantial change in whatever system or collective actually governs/controls the USA, then how much does it really matter? That said, I do not want to sound too harsh on the USA, especially its individual citizens. The country is no doubt going through a rather precarious development. It essentially shows all the hallmarks of almost every empire before it, right when those were on the brink of their collapse. While social media tycoons, and a host of even far more shady companies and agencies, certainly make the radicalization and politicization of practically everything far worse than necessary, with mostly cynical/selfish goals, it might be that they are mostly just riding an already unstoppable wave, that would be there with or without them stirring things up even more. To me, they are no doubt criminal enterprises either way, but the USA might soon have far more pressing problems on their hands than going after such companies. Which might be what some of these companies actually count on. Let's hope it turns out to be misguided arrogance, cynicism and hubris on their part.

aww_dang 6y ago
>That is, if these reasonable people have virtually no chance to bring about any substantial change in whatever system or collective actually governs/controls the USA, then how much does it really matter? There's still room for optimism if you choose. The current administration is campaigning for re-election on a record of no new wars. https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/rand-paul-2020-rnc-speech-transcript#:~:text=I%E2%80%99m%20supporting%20President%20Trump%20because%20he%20believes%20as%20I%20do,%20that%20a%20strong%20America%20cannot%20fight%20endless%20wars https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/rand-paul-2020-rnc-spee.... No one is beyond criticism and this rule goes doubly for politicians. I'll also add the disclaimer that I view politicians as a class of professional liars. However, the media climate in regards to the current administration should be viewed through the lens of this anti-war stance. The pro-war establishment has demonstrated its media influence as you mentioned above.

aww_dang 6y ago

>That is, if these reasonable people have virtually no chance to bring about any substantial change in whatever system or collective actually governs/controls the USA, then how much does it really matter? There's still room for optimism if you choose. The current administration is campaigning for re-election on a record of no new wars. https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/rand-paul-2020-rnc-speech-transcript#:~:text=I%E2%80%99m%20supporting%20President%20Trump%20because%20he%20believes%20as%20I%20do,%20that%20a%20strong%20America%20cannot%20fight%20endless%20wars https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/rand-paul-2020-rnc-spee.... No one is beyond criticism and this rule goes doubly for politicians. I'll also add the disclaimer that I view politicians as a class of professional liars. However, the media climate in regards to the current administration should be viewed through the lens of this anti-war stance. The pro-war establishment has demonstrated its media influence as you mentioned above.