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And unlike many other services, the network effect is quite low because I can easily install multiple video conferencing software or even run some in the browse

And unlike many other services, the network effect is quite low because I can easily install multiple video conferencing software or even run some in the browser. If someone organising a meeting asks to use something unusual, I'm normally not that bothered.

lima 6y ago
Even WebEx is still around and, ironically, works much better in a browser than Zoom.
- Geezus_42 6y ago
  New webex sucks for remote support. It forces me to re-request control every time I paste something. Yes I could manually type everything out but that is a pita when dealing with long Linux commands pulled from documentation.
  - GloriousKoji 6y ago
    Also the random hot keys webex picks up. All too often i'll mute myself instead of escape out of edit mode in vi.
  - dllthomas 6y ago
    Is it every time you paste something, or every time you leave the program and focus on another to copy something? If the latter, and you're using X, it should be possible to write a program that takes the selection buffer and provides a different response to each SelectionRequest in turn, letting you walk through a script pasting a command at a time without having to leave the current window. I don't know whether such a thing already exists.
- reaperducer 6y ago
  Even WebEx is still around and, ironically, works much better in a browser than Zoom. I had a videoconference with some Apple people this month, and they were all on WebEx. Maybe there's a reason. I couldn't tell you. My company is a hodgepodge of Zoom, Teams, BlueJeans, and who knows what else.
Geezus_42 6y ago
Working for a company that deals with security, I have definitely run into customers that would think I was crazy if I asked them to use anything other than Zoom or Webex. Some are even limited to webex only.
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  It goes in many combinations. Where I work now, it's Teams internally and Webex externally, with Zoom being explicitly banned, with at least two strongly worded e-mails reminding us to make it double plus sure we don't have the Zoom client installed. At the same time, outside of work, I was videocalling people on Skype, and my wife had classes delivered via Zoom.
  - zelphirkalt 6y ago
    Not sure what' worse, Zoom or Teams. Seems like "pick your poison". A coworker once looked at Teams console. I had logged over 700 errors. Often we cannot hear people, although their tech is completely fine. It's just Teams being bug ridden and excluding people.
    - nicoburns 6y ago
      From reports in my circles, Teams is definitely worse. Most people i know seem fine with Zoom, but Teams seems universally hated.
    - hirako2000 6y ago
      Seamless integration with office360, with that they can afford to have issues.
      - TeMPOraL 6y ago
        Not just that - in general, Zoom is just a videochat; Teams is an office productivity tool. It's pretty good at its function (I'm using it at work and I don't really have much to complain about, except the weird handling of code blocks in chat).
citizenkeen 6y ago
My wife sees doctors at four different clinics. Each has chosen a different remote meeting solution. It's non-negotiable - to see your doctor remotely, you need to use their software. And that's just in one field. I'm not concerned about Zoom monopoly at all.
- AdamJacobMuller 6y ago
  With COVID my grandfather has been doing telepresence visits with his doctors, for COVID among other reasons. Mostly they were using a 3rd party solution like webx/zoom/etc but one doctor (automated in an online form) noticed his number was tied to iMessage and offered to just FaceTime him at his appointment time. Super easy for him (at 94) to self-manage vs any other solution where we (my mother or myself) need to be around to set things up for him. Not sure how they are doing this exactly, if this is something Apple specifically enabled for healthcare or whatever, but its a fantastic experience. Whatever solution they were using did have an "no I have an android and a 'use my computer' option" not sure what path they led down.
  - Robotbeat 6y ago
    It’s a shame there isn’t seamless ability to Facetime with Android users like there is to make a voice call or text with them. We (read: tech community and/or society) should fix this. It’d be in society’s interest if a video call between android and Apple was as easy as a voice call is. (and I do think Facetime between Apple users is this easy... I sometimes use Facetime purely because my WiFi is a little better than my cell signal).
    - timvdalen 6y ago
      Isn't Google's Duo available for iOS?
      - Robotbeat 6y ago
        There are countless ways of making it happen by installing apps. And the user experience and integration has improved. But I mean out-of-the-box, universal functionality. So your 94 year old great grandparent can use it without anything.

lima 6y ago

Even WebEx is still around and, ironically, works much better in a browser than Zoom.

Geezus_42 6y ago
New webex sucks for remote support. It forces me to re-request control every time I paste something. Yes I could manually type everything out but that is a pita when dealing with long Linux commands pulled from documentation.
- GloriousKoji 6y ago
  Also the random hot keys webex picks up. All too often i'll mute myself instead of escape out of edit mode in vi.
- dllthomas 6y ago
  Is it every time you paste something, or every time you leave the program and focus on another to copy something? If the latter, and you're using X, it should be possible to write a program that takes the selection buffer and provides a different response to each SelectionRequest in turn, letting you walk through a script pasting a command at a time without having to leave the current window. I don't know whether such a thing already exists.
reaperducer 6y ago
Even WebEx is still around and, ironically, works much better in a browser than Zoom. I had a videoconference with some Apple people this month, and they were all on WebEx. Maybe there's a reason. I couldn't tell you. My company is a hodgepodge of Zoom, Teams, BlueJeans, and who knows what else.

Geezus_42 6y ago

Working for a company that deals with security, I have definitely run into customers that would think I was crazy if I asked them to use anything other than Zoom or Webex. Some are even limited to webex only.

TeMPOraL 6y ago
It goes in many combinations. Where I work now, it's Teams internally and Webex externally, with Zoom being explicitly banned, with at least two strongly worded e-mails reminding us to make it double plus sure we don't have the Zoom client installed. At the same time, outside of work, I was videocalling people on Skype, and my wife had classes delivered via Zoom.
- zelphirkalt 6y ago
  Not sure what' worse, Zoom or Teams. Seems like "pick your poison". A coworker once looked at Teams console. I had logged over 700 errors. Often we cannot hear people, although their tech is completely fine. It's just Teams being bug ridden and excluding people.
  - nicoburns 6y ago
    From reports in my circles, Teams is definitely worse. Most people i know seem fine with Zoom, but Teams seems universally hated.
  - hirako2000 6y ago
    Seamless integration with office360, with that they can afford to have issues.
    - TeMPOraL 6y ago
      Not just that - in general, Zoom is just a videochat; Teams is an office productivity tool. It's pretty good at its function (I'm using it at work and I don't really have much to complain about, except the weird handling of code blocks in chat).

citizenkeen 6y ago

My wife sees doctors at four different clinics. Each has chosen a different remote meeting solution. It's non-negotiable - to see your doctor remotely, you need to use their software. And that's just in one field. I'm not concerned about Zoom monopoly at all.

AdamJacobMuller 6y ago
With COVID my grandfather has been doing telepresence visits with his doctors, for COVID among other reasons. Mostly they were using a 3rd party solution like webx/zoom/etc but one doctor (automated in an online form) noticed his number was tied to iMessage and offered to just FaceTime him at his appointment time. Super easy for him (at 94) to self-manage vs any other solution where we (my mother or myself) need to be around to set things up for him. Not sure how they are doing this exactly, if this is something Apple specifically enabled for healthcare or whatever, but its a fantastic experience. Whatever solution they were using did have an "no I have an android and a 'use my computer' option" not sure what path they led down.
- Robotbeat 6y ago
  It’s a shame there isn’t seamless ability to Facetime with Android users like there is to make a voice call or text with them. We (read: tech community and/or society) should fix this. It’d be in society’s interest if a video call between android and Apple was as easy as a voice call is. (and I do think Facetime between Apple users is this easy... I sometimes use Facetime purely because my WiFi is a little better than my cell signal).
  - timvdalen 6y ago
    Isn't Google's Duo available for iOS?
    - Robotbeat 6y ago
      There are countless ways of making it happen by installing apps. And the user experience and integration has improved. But I mean out-of-the-box, universal functionality. So your 94 year old great grandparent can use it without anything.