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There is so much publicity over Boeing problems. I'm wondering if 30-50 years ago they were more thorough or just it was more accepted to have accidents. Probab

There is so much publicity over Boeing problems. I'm wondering if 30-50 years ago they were more thorough or just it was more accepted to have accidents. Probably the latter. I'm just worried there is too much safety everywhere and no one takes risks any more. Its a wonder Tesla autopilot is still allowed.

thrawayjpikaf 6y ago
No, the problem is apparently boeing has been getting away with BS at their south carolina plant because of lax oversight, and that wouldn't have "flown" previously: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/faa-proposes-fining-boeing-1-25-million-fine-for-exerting-undue-pressure-on-safety-reps-in-south-carolina https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/faa-p...
dave5104 6y ago
> I'm just worried there is too much safety everywhere and no one takes risks any more. If this is really true, then I personally think it's wonderful that no one is taking a risk with my safety when I'm flying on an airplane.
- x87678r 6y ago
  What I mean though if we always had this approach we probably wouldn't have had airplanes.
  - coliveira 6y ago
    Safety was always a concern even in the first days, except for the daredevils which exist in every field. The only difference is that nowadays we have more safety exactly because of this mindset. Imagine if people now start to think it is ok to "take risks" with aviation.
  - dave5104 6y ago
    I highly doubt that. There's a difference in expectations on the safety of the first airplanes versus airplanes for mass consumer daily usage. Or in other words, a matured technology. If what you think is true, no one would be bothering to explore self driving cars. Once that technology is matured enough, I absolutely expect (and hope) that they reach the same level of safety standards and requirements that airplanes take on.
Pfhreak 6y ago
A few things have changed Boeing's culture, but none more so than the McDonnell Douglas merger in 1997. MD brought with it a culture that put safety second, emphasized defense contracts, and gutted programs in favor of profits. (IMO) The culture continued to emphasize profits first through Jim McNerney, and searched for ways to cut costs at every turn.
Dirlewanger 6y ago
>I'm just worried there is too much safety everywhere and no one takes risks any more Oh I think they take plenty of risks. Look at the 787 Max.

thrawayjpikaf 6y ago

No, the problem is apparently boeing has been getting away with BS at their south carolina plant because of lax oversight, and that wouldn't have "flown" previously: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/faa-proposes-fining-boeing-1-25-million-fine-for-exerting-undue-pressure-on-safety-reps-in-south-carolina https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/faa-p...

dave5104 6y ago

> I'm just worried there is too much safety everywhere and no one takes risks any more. If this is really true, then I personally think it's wonderful that no one is taking a risk with my safety when I'm flying on an airplane.

x87678r 6y ago
What I mean though if we always had this approach we probably wouldn't have had airplanes.
- coliveira 6y ago
  Safety was always a concern even in the first days, except for the daredevils which exist in every field. The only difference is that nowadays we have more safety exactly because of this mindset. Imagine if people now start to think it is ok to "take risks" with aviation.
- dave5104 6y ago
  I highly doubt that. There's a difference in expectations on the safety of the first airplanes versus airplanes for mass consumer daily usage. Or in other words, a matured technology. If what you think is true, no one would be bothering to explore self driving cars. Once that technology is matured enough, I absolutely expect (and hope) that they reach the same level of safety standards and requirements that airplanes take on.

Pfhreak 6y ago

A few things have changed Boeing's culture, but none more so than the McDonnell Douglas merger in 1997. MD brought with it a culture that put safety second, emphasized defense contracts, and gutted programs in favor of profits. (IMO) The culture continued to emphasize profits first through Jim McNerney, and searched for ways to cut costs at every turn.

Dirlewanger 6y ago

>I'm just worried there is too much safety everywhere and no one takes risks any more Oh I think they take plenty of risks. Look at the 787 Max.