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I get what you're saying, but I don't think this is because Google cares about hate speech. Google is simply using hate speech as an excuse to get rid of apps t

I get what you're saying, but I don't think this is because Google cares about hate speech. Google is simply using hate speech as an excuse to get rid of apps that it doesn't like. Deciding which apps you like and which you don't isn't that hard of a line to draw.

tsherr 6y ago
That's precisely what they are doing. They don't care about hate speech. If they did, they wouldn't have Trump ads on the YouTube banner. This is justification to get rid of apps they don't like.
- djsumdog 6y ago
  Not allowing a parties political ads would be clear favoritism in a political situation. You might not like Trump, but it's quite the jump to say republican ads are "hate speech." .. in fact that's quite literally weaponizing the word "hate speech" to censor political opinions you don't like.
  - VLM 6y ago
    Which is the whole point of hate speech laws. Can't market censorship of one party, but who could ever oppose censoring hate... then redefine hate to be anything you'd like censored, and ... that's what we have now. Any time anyone complains about censorship, roll out the excuse of holocaust denial, regardless whats actually being censored.
    - chrisco255 6y ago
      Yes it's why freedom of speech is a thing. Ideas are meant to compete and the power to decide which ideas are acceptable is an absolute power that completely corrupts a society.
  - betterunix2 6y ago
    > it's quite the jump to say republican ads are "hate speech." It is not a jump when they have used Nazi symbols in their campaign ads, promoted antisemitic conspiracy theories in their campaign ads, made transparently racist statements about their opponents, etc. It is not that "hate speech" is being weaponized to censor political position (the Republican party is not even promoting a specific policy agency in this election cycle), but rather that the term "censorship" is being weaponized to legitimize the extremist ideologies of domestic terrorist groups (classified as such by the FBI). To put it another way, if one of your coworkers was carrying on about how wealthy Jews were conspiring to spread civil unrest as part of a broad plot to destroy the United States, you would call it "hate speech" and you would be right to report them to HR. Yet that is just one of the many extremist conspiracy theories the Republican party has promoted in this election cycle, which follows the previous two cycles that featured similar antisemitism and other expressions of racism. Some Republican politicians have publicly stated that George Floyd was killed in order to start a race war in America, which only a few years ago is a statement that you would have only found on a website like "the daily stormer." The current Republican president has endorsed a candidate who said Muslims marry their siblings, and another candidate who said Muslims are a cancer on humanity and should be forbidden from holding office. None of that is "political opinion," it is extremist ideology that is on par with the kind of things that ISIS claimed about the Yazidis.
    - chrisco255 6y ago
      Trump just negotiated a peace deal between Israel and UAE and the tired old Nazi trope is still being paraded out. Trump's son in law is Jewish. Your ignorance is astounding, but not surprising given the level of propaganda that's out there today. Conservatives are regularly attacked, marginalized, deplatformed, intimidated, shot at, and baselessly called all sorts of things when they pretty much just stand for family, God, and loyalty to the country and ideals of individual freedom. There are over 100 million Americans that identify as conservative and you are spewing hate speech about them right now. You've flattened an extremely large diverse group of individuals into your caricature viewpoint. I recommend you apply some empathy and go and try to learn from them. Ask them why they think the way they do. It might surprise you.
tachyonbeam 6y ago
Google is politically very very left. I'm guessing that someone at Google may have browsed these apps, decided they didn't like what they saw, and pressured to have the apps banned. Obviously they can't do that to large players like Facebook, but small apps, they can easily crush, and nobody's going to do anything about it. Image if Google decided to just block certain websites on Chrome, or if big tech got domain registrars to drop 4chan, or whatever humor websites they don't find amusing.
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- passerby1 6y ago
  What prevents Google from stopping resolving some domains at 8.8.8.8?
- dash2 6y ago
  That already happened with certain extremist Islamic websites.
  - at_a_remove 6y ago
    I wonder if Cloudflare is still protecting ISIS sites from DDoSses and the like.

tsherr 6y ago

That's precisely what they are doing. They don't care about hate speech. If they did, they wouldn't have Trump ads on the YouTube banner. This is justification to get rid of apps they don't like.

djsumdog 6y ago
Not allowing a parties political ads would be clear favoritism in a political situation. You might not like Trump, but it's quite the jump to say republican ads are "hate speech." .. in fact that's quite literally weaponizing the word "hate speech" to censor political opinions you don't like.
- VLM 6y ago
  Which is the whole point of hate speech laws. Can't market censorship of one party, but who could ever oppose censoring hate... then redefine hate to be anything you'd like censored, and ... that's what we have now. Any time anyone complains about censorship, roll out the excuse of holocaust denial, regardless whats actually being censored.
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    Yes it's why freedom of speech is a thing. Ideas are meant to compete and the power to decide which ideas are acceptable is an absolute power that completely corrupts a society.
- betterunix2 6y ago
  > it's quite the jump to say republican ads are "hate speech." It is not a jump when they have used Nazi symbols in their campaign ads, promoted antisemitic conspiracy theories in their campaign ads, made transparently racist statements about their opponents, etc. It is not that "hate speech" is being weaponized to censor political position (the Republican party is not even promoting a specific policy agency in this election cycle), but rather that the term "censorship" is being weaponized to legitimize the extremist ideologies of domestic terrorist groups (classified as such by the FBI). To put it another way, if one of your coworkers was carrying on about how wealthy Jews were conspiring to spread civil unrest as part of a broad plot to destroy the United States, you would call it "hate speech" and you would be right to report them to HR. Yet that is just one of the many extremist conspiracy theories the Republican party has promoted in this election cycle, which follows the previous two cycles that featured similar antisemitism and other expressions of racism. Some Republican politicians have publicly stated that George Floyd was killed in order to start a race war in America, which only a few years ago is a statement that you would have only found on a website like "the daily stormer." The current Republican president has endorsed a candidate who said Muslims marry their siblings, and another candidate who said Muslims are a cancer on humanity and should be forbidden from holding office. None of that is "political opinion," it is extremist ideology that is on par with the kind of things that ISIS claimed about the Yazidis.
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    Trump just negotiated a peace deal between Israel and UAE and the tired old Nazi trope is still being paraded out. Trump's son in law is Jewish. Your ignorance is astounding, but not surprising given the level of propaganda that's out there today. Conservatives are regularly attacked, marginalized, deplatformed, intimidated, shot at, and baselessly called all sorts of things when they pretty much just stand for family, God, and loyalty to the country and ideals of individual freedom. There are over 100 million Americans that identify as conservative and you are spewing hate speech about them right now. You've flattened an extremely large diverse group of individuals into your caricature viewpoint. I recommend you apply some empathy and go and try to learn from them. Ask them why they think the way they do. It might surprise you.

tachyonbeam 6y ago

Google is politically very very left. I'm guessing that someone at Google may have browsed these apps, decided they didn't like what they saw, and pressured to have the apps banned. Obviously they can't do that to large players like Facebook, but small apps, they can easily crush, and nobody's going to do anything about it. Image if Google decided to just block certain websites on Chrome, or if big tech got domain registrars to drop 4chan, or whatever humor websites they don't find amusing.

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passerby1 6y ago
What prevents Google from stopping resolving some domains at 8.8.8.8?
dash2 6y ago
That already happened with certain extremist Islamic websites.
- at_a_remove 6y ago
  I wonder if Cloudflare is still protecting ISIS sites from DDoSses and the like.