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Historic revisionism as an subgroup of hate speech is a prime example of slippery slope and moving of definition. I would add "fake news" to hate speech.

Barrin92 6y ago
sorry I have no idea what you're trying to say. Holocaust denial is generally considered to be both historical revisionism and hate speech, the former being a tool for the latter. Is this just semantics?
- sumtechguy 6y ago
  Out of context is the favorite goto for most news orgs that want to push a particular set of ideals.
- rightbyte 6y ago
  Ye it is semantics alright. Not taking the debate to the Holocaust, hate speech is not just incitement to hatred (quite broad) or incitement to crime (quite specific), against a group anymore. It is like "fake news", in that sense, when Trump comically turned the term against its creators. I feel that when it comes to Google its not about if it is hate speech or not, but who controls it. I.e. Zuckerberg is fine although there are multiple long-lasting Facebook groups that have been used to incite crimes, but Aaron Swartz would not be (today). It is quite amusing how Facebook is not shut down in Europe even though many European countries would shut down any local company being so lax and arbitrary with moderation as Facebook.
VLM 6y ago
"Fake News" is merely the 7% of journalists who identify as Republicans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_State... The problem is the political spectrum of journalists is wildly biased compared to the average citizen. This also apparently shows up with censorship of phone apps.
- triceratops 6y ago
  Why is that the case though? Do conservatives not like going into journalism? Or does become a journalist turn one away from conservatism?
  - VLM 6y ago
    Extremely hostile workplace environment. Like the southern jim crow experience.
    - triceratops 6y ago
      Conservative journalists are lynched for sitting at the same lunch table as their non-conservative colleagues? I think I would've heard about that...
bluthru 6y ago
>I would add "fake news" to hate speech. What are you doing? Are you trying to ban speech you don't like? What body determines what is "fake news" and "hate speech"? It can't be done, which is why the only sane policy is free speech. We have laws against violence, and it's a very clear line.
- rightbyte 6y ago
  Sorry, it was meant as rhetorical stupidity.

Barrin92 6y ago

sorry I have no idea what you're trying to say. Holocaust denial is generally considered to be both historical revisionism and hate speech, the former being a tool for the latter. Is this just semantics?

sumtechguy 6y ago
Out of context is the favorite goto for most news orgs that want to push a particular set of ideals.
rightbyte 6y ago
Ye it is semantics alright. Not taking the debate to the Holocaust, hate speech is not just incitement to hatred (quite broad) or incitement to crime (quite specific), against a group anymore. It is like "fake news", in that sense, when Trump comically turned the term against its creators. I feel that when it comes to Google its not about if it is hate speech or not, but who controls it. I.e. Zuckerberg is fine although there are multiple long-lasting Facebook groups that have been used to incite crimes, but Aaron Swartz would not be (today). It is quite amusing how Facebook is not shut down in Europe even though many European countries would shut down any local company being so lax and arbitrary with moderation as Facebook.

VLM 6y ago

"Fake News" is merely the 7% of journalists who identify as Republicans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_State... The problem is the political spectrum of journalists is wildly biased compared to the average citizen. This also apparently shows up with censorship of phone apps.

triceratops 6y ago
Why is that the case though? Do conservatives not like going into journalism? Or does become a journalist turn one away from conservatism?
- VLM 6y ago
  Extremely hostile workplace environment. Like the southern jim crow experience.
  - triceratops 6y ago
    Conservative journalists are lynched for sitting at the same lunch table as their non-conservative colleagues? I think I would've heard about that...

bluthru 6y ago

>I would add "fake news" to hate speech. What are you doing? Are you trying to ban speech you don't like? What body determines what is "fake news" and "hate speech"? It can't be done, which is why the only sane policy is free speech. We have laws against violence, and it's a very clear line.

rightbyte 6y ago
Sorry, it was meant as rhetorical stupidity.