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I'm a bit confused, I'm hearing lots about long term consequences, but then I hear that most cases are asymptomatic. Can someone who is asymptomatic have really

by dalore 6y ago

I'm a bit confused, I'm hearing lots about long term consequences, but then I hear that most cases are asymptomatic. Can someone who is asymptomatic have really have long term consequences? If so, wouldn't they have symptoms?

throwaway5752 6y ago
Just search for asymptomatic covid cardiomyopathy
- dr_dshiv 6y ago
  Also, it can be hard to tell when covid19 severity occurs as a result of undiagnosed preexisting heart conditions, versus causing heart conditions
  - throwaway5752 6y ago
    Yes, but it is similat to the long term side effects from sars-cov-1, is in alignment with the pathology of moderate and severe cases, is in alignmnent with the type multi-organ damage observed... It might be hard to specifically tell for one person, but it seems very likely to me, speaking as a layman (and I believe there are academic papers that support it).
rch 6y ago
I've been interpreting the situation as: -- most cases are asymptomatic. -- some asymptomatic cases have e.g. detectable heart and lung problems. -- some people have long term consequences. ...these points are not mutually exclusive.
- dr_dshiv 6y ago
  Sure would be nice to have prevalence data on these!
necrotic_comp 6y ago
"asymptomatic" in the Covid context means "no external symptoms". One of the quirks of this disease is that it does damage to the lungs and reduces oxygenation without any obvious external signs (see the reports from doctors of people texting when their blood oxygen levels were otherwise extraordinarily low) and there are now reports of people having lung damage when they otherwise did not present as sick. So yes, it appears that it is possible to have long term damage even if it didn't seem that you were sick at first.
- viggity 6y ago
  IIRC, this is because the aveoli in the lungs can still expel the CO2, but have a tough time with oxygen intake. It is CO2 build up that makes you feel distressed, not necessarily the lack of oxygen.
intotheabyss 6y ago
Asymptomatic or presymptomatic? There's a big distinction here.
maxerickson 6y ago
Here's an anecdotal case of asymptomatic infection with lots of symptoms later: https://twitter.com/FredTJoseph/status/1299395049684439042 https://twitter.com/FredTJoseph/status/1299395049684439042

by dalore 6y ago

throwaway5752 6y ago

Just search for asymptomatic covid cardiomyopathy

dr_dshiv 6y ago
Also, it can be hard to tell when covid19 severity occurs as a result of undiagnosed preexisting heart conditions, versus causing heart conditions
- throwaway5752 6y ago
  Yes, but it is similat to the long term side effects from sars-cov-1, is in alignment with the pathology of moderate and severe cases, is in alignmnent with the type multi-organ damage observed... It might be hard to specifically tell for one person, but it seems very likely to me, speaking as a layman (and I believe there are academic papers that support it).

rch 6y ago

I've been interpreting the situation as: -- most cases are asymptomatic. -- some asymptomatic cases have e.g. detectable heart and lung problems. -- some people have long term consequences. ...these points are not mutually exclusive.

dr_dshiv 6y ago
Sure would be nice to have prevalence data on these!

necrotic_comp 6y ago

"asymptomatic" in the Covid context means "no external symptoms". One of the quirks of this disease is that it does damage to the lungs and reduces oxygenation without any obvious external signs (see the reports from doctors of people texting when their blood oxygen levels were otherwise extraordinarily low) and there are now reports of people having lung damage when they otherwise did not present as sick. So yes, it appears that it is possible to have long term damage even if it didn't seem that you were sick at first.

viggity 6y ago
IIRC, this is because the aveoli in the lungs can still expel the CO2, but have a tough time with oxygen intake. It is CO2 build up that makes you feel distressed, not necessarily the lack of oxygen.

intotheabyss 6y ago

Asymptomatic or presymptomatic? There's a big distinction here.

maxerickson 6y ago

Here's an anecdotal case of asymptomatic infection with lots of symptoms later: https://twitter.com/FredTJoseph/status/1299395049684439042 https://twitter.com/FredTJoseph/status/1299395049684439042