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This is why I've swerved off of getting into HAM. By popular perception (in my circles, and perception doesn't necessarily reflect reality) it's a chatroom for

This is why I've swerved off of getting into HAM. By popular perception (in my circles, and perception doesn't necessarily reflect reality) it's a chatroom for boomers (not necessarily a bad thing) waiting to report you to the FCC for any kind of experimentation (a bad thing), with a cost of entry of at least a hundred dollars for equipment that supports a fixed set of protocols with a very narrow use-case. Radio just seems top closed off to get into asanything other than a passive listener.

BenjiWiebe 6y ago
Mid 20's Extra here... Experimentation is totally allowed. Either the FCC will ignore the complaint, or you are actually outside the (very lenient) experimentation rules.
- crocodiletears 6y ago
  That's good to know. Any reccommended place to get started (assuming I already own an rtl-sdr)?
mywittyname 6y ago
> waiting to report you to the FCC for any kind of experimentation (a bad thing), This is what always kept me away from HAM Radios. Everyone I knew that was into it was a huge stickler about the rules and would talk about all the bad stuff that should happen to rule breakers. It was pretty unnerving.
- ezren 6y ago
  One of the express purposes of the amateur radio service is to facilitate experimentation and innovation in radio technology, and the FCC grants special licenses for that purpose all the time. There's a significant amount of harm you can do with a radio, so willfully causing interference to other radio services will earn you a hefty penalty. You should definitely get into amateur radio if you have an interest, and maybe look into some of the instances the FCC actually issued fines - if you're not out to cause harm you have nothing to worry about.
- alibarber 6y ago
  Their bark is worse than their bite most of the time. Anecdote: One of the most often repeated exam questions in the UK is 'if you don't update your license every 5 years ... all manor of trouble will happen'. Well, life happened and I didn't do anything for over 15 years and then I wanted to get back in to radio and of course I expected to have to grovel and take the test again and whatnot, but no, the actual government body, Ofcom (UK FCC equiv.) didn't really seem to care and after confirming that I was still alive all was well, in fact it was completely automated I think. Like most things in life, if you're not actually actively causing trouble things will probaby be ok. But yes, some amateurs do seem to be a rule loving/enforcing bunch. Anyone would think they were regulating something actually dangerous, like getting a driving licence. (Note, I'm not belittling the importance of being a responsible amateur - just that a lot of the time the general tone seems a bit 'DO NOT DO' more than 'do...')
- bityard 6y ago
  Well here's the thing. Most hams seem to be retired engineers. They are used to knowing and following rules and will fall over themselves in an attempt to correct even the slightest error in understanding or application. Not unlike many of us on HN. However, the rules are actually not that hard to follow and part of getting your license is learning about those rules. The FCC views amateur radio as largely self-policing and will quite literally never go after an individual until they have had multiple complaints, issued several warnings, and have a documented pattern of intentional, malicious violation of the rules.
- jupp0r 6y ago
  What's wrong with following the rules? Spectrum is shared after all...
  - crocodiletears 6y ago
    Nothing wrong with following rules. But if you think you're going to be surrounded by legalists waiting to spring government fines on you for every slip-up, you might be incensed to turn back.

BenjiWiebe 6y ago

Mid 20's Extra here... Experimentation is totally allowed. Either the FCC will ignore the complaint, or you are actually outside the (very lenient) experimentation rules.

crocodiletears 6y ago
That's good to know. Any reccommended place to get started (assuming I already own an rtl-sdr)?

mywittyname 6y ago

> waiting to report you to the FCC for any kind of experimentation (a bad thing), This is what always kept me away from HAM Radios. Everyone I knew that was into it was a huge stickler about the rules and would talk about all the bad stuff that should happen to rule breakers. It was pretty unnerving.

ezren 6y ago
One of the express purposes of the amateur radio service is to facilitate experimentation and innovation in radio technology, and the FCC grants special licenses for that purpose all the time. There's a significant amount of harm you can do with a radio, so willfully causing interference to other radio services will earn you a hefty penalty. You should definitely get into amateur radio if you have an interest, and maybe look into some of the instances the FCC actually issued fines - if you're not out to cause harm you have nothing to worry about.
alibarber 6y ago
Their bark is worse than their bite most of the time. Anecdote: One of the most often repeated exam questions in the UK is 'if you don't update your license every 5 years ... all manor of trouble will happen'. Well, life happened and I didn't do anything for over 15 years and then I wanted to get back in to radio and of course I expected to have to grovel and take the test again and whatnot, but no, the actual government body, Ofcom (UK FCC equiv.) didn't really seem to care and after confirming that I was still alive all was well, in fact it was completely automated I think. Like most things in life, if you're not actually actively causing trouble things will probaby be ok. But yes, some amateurs do seem to be a rule loving/enforcing bunch. Anyone would think they were regulating something actually dangerous, like getting a driving licence. (Note, I'm not belittling the importance of being a responsible amateur - just that a lot of the time the general tone seems a bit 'DO NOT DO' more than 'do...')
bityard 6y ago
Well here's the thing. Most hams seem to be retired engineers. They are used to knowing and following rules and will fall over themselves in an attempt to correct even the slightest error in understanding or application. Not unlike many of us on HN. However, the rules are actually not that hard to follow and part of getting your license is learning about those rules. The FCC views amateur radio as largely self-policing and will quite literally never go after an individual until they have had multiple complaints, issued several warnings, and have a documented pattern of intentional, malicious violation of the rules.
jupp0r 6y ago
What's wrong with following the rules? Spectrum is shared after all...
- crocodiletears 6y ago
  Nothing wrong with following rules. But if you think you're going to be surrounded by legalists waiting to spring government fines on you for every slip-up, you might be incensed to turn back.