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Boycotting "Made in China" labelled products is not effective enough. How would you motivate large population groups to engage globally? Politicians and democra

by nedsma 6y ago

Boycotting "Made in China" labelled products is not effective enough. How would you motivate large population groups to engage globally? Politicians and democratic countries should force China to stop torturing their own citizens based on religious or ethnic affiliation.

arvigeus 6y ago
Even if you do so, they will just put different label. Hello, "Made in Vietnam"!
- Nginx487 6y ago
  Luckily, customs officers do not believe product labels, they have more reliable sources of information like port of departure. I guess, this documentation also could be faked, just hope it's not that easy. Vietnam is a competitor and adversary of China, they would try preventing "hijacking" of their products
thecleaner 6y ago
Force it how ? Countries cannot go at an all trade war. Us consumers need to reshape thw market. And most of us happend to be very pro human rights but we are just convinced into believing that nothing we as individuals do matter.
- nedsma 6y ago
  By sanctioning responsible government officials and businesses related to the concentration camps. Currently, the US secretary of state is lobbying in Europe against Huawei and their 5G networks. The same thing should happen whenever there are massive human rights violations.
  - luckylion 6y ago
    Going down that route would backfire hard, unless you want to go openly for different laws for different people. I.e. how would you convince European citizens that it's right to sanction Chinese businesses that profit from prison labor, but wrong to sanction US businesses that profit from prison labor? Or ignore those Europeans ... how do you convince US citizens of it? Sounds like they're quite angry about the domestic problem right now.
    - nedsma 6y ago
      The Uighur people are imprisoned solely for being not in the right/approved (i)religious and ethnic group. It's like if Germany decided to imprison or expel Romanians because they're mostly orthodox East Europeans.
      - luckylion 6y ago
        Yes, that's the argument, but I'm sure that the CCP will say that it's not accurate and they're imprisoned at a much higher frequency than other groups because of their behavior, not because of their ethnicity or religion. The problem becomes more obvious when you look at incarceration rates in the US. Of course, the US says "that's not racist, they just commit more crimes". And we (as in "Western societies") tend to believe that because the alternative is uncomfortable. There's a pretty vocal movement in the US that disputes that claim and alleges that the fact that wealthy and powerful people profit from prison labor is responsible for a) the rate of incarceration in general and b) the differences in incarceration rates. I don't know whether they are right, but once you start going down that route, you better be prepared to walk for a while. If you don't (that is if you treat the Chinese behavior different from US behavior), you're going to do more harm than good, I believe, because people will understand that your talk of human rights is just a weapon in economical/political/military conflicts, and not a principle you believe in.
        nedsma 6y ago
        The CCP can try painting whatever picture they like. It's obvious from many angles that they're building concentration camps where people are forced to prison labor, organ harvesting and brainwashing. And then there are regular prisons. The whataboutism you're trying to push into the discussion isn't leading anywhere. I'm sure you'll find plenty of opportunities to discuss the US prison system, but this isn't one. Here we have people who have wronged nothing being labeled as extremists and then put into concentration camps.
        blindspot557 6y ago
Aunche 6y ago
It costs money and political capital to stop a country from doing anything, and politicians won't do anything that doesn't benefit them. As an example, nobody cared about the Kurdish genocide in Iraq until the US wanted to invade them. Ironically, while the genocide was happening, the US was allies with Iraq.

by nedsma 6y ago

arvigeus 6y ago

Even if you do so, they will just put different label. Hello, "Made in Vietnam"!

Nginx487 6y ago
Luckily, customs officers do not believe product labels, they have more reliable sources of information like port of departure. I guess, this documentation also could be faked, just hope it's not that easy. Vietnam is a competitor and adversary of China, they would try preventing "hijacking" of their products

thecleaner 6y ago

Force it how ? Countries cannot go at an all trade war. Us consumers need to reshape thw market. And most of us happend to be very pro human rights but we are just convinced into believing that nothing we as individuals do matter.

nedsma 6y ago
By sanctioning responsible government officials and businesses related to the concentration camps. Currently, the US secretary of state is lobbying in Europe against Huawei and their 5G networks. The same thing should happen whenever there are massive human rights violations.
- luckylion 6y ago
  Going down that route would backfire hard, unless you want to go openly for different laws for different people. I.e. how would you convince European citizens that it's right to sanction Chinese businesses that profit from prison labor, but wrong to sanction US businesses that profit from prison labor? Or ignore those Europeans ... how do you convince US citizens of it? Sounds like they're quite angry about the domestic problem right now.
  - nedsma 6y ago
    The Uighur people are imprisoned solely for being not in the right/approved (i)religious and ethnic group. It's like if Germany decided to imprison or expel Romanians because they're mostly orthodox East Europeans.
    - luckylion 6y ago
      Yes, that's the argument, but I'm sure that the CCP will say that it's not accurate and they're imprisoned at a much higher frequency than other groups because of their behavior, not because of their ethnicity or religion. The problem becomes more obvious when you look at incarceration rates in the US. Of course, the US says "that's not racist, they just commit more crimes". And we (as in "Western societies") tend to believe that because the alternative is uncomfortable. There's a pretty vocal movement in the US that disputes that claim and alleges that the fact that wealthy and powerful people profit from prison labor is responsible for a) the rate of incarceration in general and b) the differences in incarceration rates. I don't know whether they are right, but once you start going down that route, you better be prepared to walk for a while. If you don't (that is if you treat the Chinese behavior different from US behavior), you're going to do more harm than good, I believe, because people will understand that your talk of human rights is just a weapon in economical/political/military conflicts, and not a principle you believe in.
      - nedsma 6y ago
        The CCP can try painting whatever picture they like. It's obvious from many angles that they're building concentration camps where people are forced to prison labor, organ harvesting and brainwashing. And then there are regular prisons. The whataboutism you're trying to push into the discussion isn't leading anywhere. I'm sure you'll find plenty of opportunities to discuss the US prison system, but this isn't one. Here we have people who have wronged nothing being labeled as extremists and then put into concentration camps.
        blindspot557 6y ago

Aunche 6y ago

It costs money and political capital to stop a country from doing anything, and politicians won't do anything that doesn't benefit them. As an example, nobody cared about the Kurdish genocide in Iraq until the US wanted to invade them. Ironically, while the genocide was happening, the US was allies with Iraq.