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I’m voting and campaigning for politicians that I might disagree with on 99% of all issues for the sole reason that they’re willing and capable of standing up t
by abc-xyz 6y ago
I’m voting and campaigning for politicians that I might disagree with on 99% of all issues for the sole reason that they’re willing and capable of standing up to China.
For reference, my views are aligned with Sanders but I’d vote for Trump solely based on his actions towards China.
I’d also say boycotting Made in China and companies kowtowing to China isn’t as difficult as people say. You might not be able to boycott it 100%, but it’s not that hard to find alternatives to 90+% of the products.
- gigatexal 6y agoWow. So China’s so big of an existential threat that you’ll let one of the worst presidents in history have another 4 years to continue screwing the country? Trump’s going to win again smh.
- logicchains 6y agoBecause whatever Trump apparently did is way worse than China apparently sticking a million Muslims in concentration camps?
- take_a_breath 6y agoWhat has Trump done to stop the concentration camps aside from praise their leader and sell products made there?
- logicchains 6y agoThis poster gave some examples: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24304367 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24304367
- take_a_breath 6y agoI didn't see any sources or references on that comment nor does it mention the concentration camps anywhere.
- logicchains 6y agohttps://www.washingtonpost.com/business/what-hong-kong-losing-its-special-status-would-mean/2020/07/01/a6586164-bbfc-11ea-97c1-6cf116ffe26c_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/what-hong-kong-losin... https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3049928/us-revokes-wto-subsidy-preferences-some-developing https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article... https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-tiktok-ban-us-china-explained-in-30-seconds-2020-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-tiktok-ban-us-c... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jul/18/pressure-from-trump-led-to-5g-ban-britain-tells-huawei https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jul/18/pressure-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Tsai_call https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Tsai_call https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/1838 https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/183... https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-google-android-ban-988382/ https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-google-android-ban-9... For the concentration camps: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/world/asia/trump-china-sanctions-uighurs.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/world/asia/trump-china-sa...
- harpiaharpyja 6y agoHaving to fall back into unsubstantiated hyperbole like "worst president in history" and "screwing the country" probably doesn't help to win anyone over.
- take_a_breath 6y agoMost job losses ever? Or highest deficits ever? Or highest unemployment rate ever? Does that win anyone over?
- logicchains 6y ago>Most job losses ever? Or highest deficits ever? Or highest unemployment rate ever? >Does that win anyone over? How can you blame Trump for that when the unemployment rate was the lowest in over a decade before 2020, and the job losses / fall in unemployment was due to lockdowns he didn't support? Overall the unemployment rate is much better in Red states, which have weaker or no lockdowns: https://www.aier.org/article/unemployment-far-worse-in-lockdown-states-data-show/ https://www.aier.org/article/unemployment-far-worse-in-lockd...
- wycy 6y agoI think it's a bit unfair to blame him for the unemployment rate having gotten so high, but it is fair to blame him for how long it has lasted. If he'd shown the tiniest bit of competent leadership through the pandemic, we could have locked down for 2 months, suffered the high unemployment, and then largely gotten back to normalcy(+masks) by now. Most jobs could have come back, especially if we had done something like furloughs like the UK did. Instead, it got completely out of control entirely due to his incompetence. Unemployment being higher in locked down states makes sense. But the flipside of that statistic is that daily deaths in red states are reaching new peaks now while they've flatlined to lows in blue states.
- logicchains 6y ago>If he'd shown the tiniest bit of competent leadership through the pandemic, we could have locked down for 2 months, suffered the high unemployment, and then largely gotten back to normalcy(+masks) by now. Then why haven't the Blue states that have been locked down for months gotten back to normalcy? Like California and New York? Why hasn't Melbourne gotten back to normalcy? Almost nowhere that prevented a first wave by shutting down has managed to avoid a second wave.
- mc32 6y agoI'm a lowercase independent—for the life of me, why did the Democrat party choose the worst candidate of the lot two campaigns in a row? Biden has tons of baggage. If he had an (R) next to his name and nothing else in life different he’d be getting creamed for all his previous policies, stances and quotes. In addition, mentally he’s not lasting four years of intense presidential demands. In 2016 Clinton was Bush heavy (or comparatively Bush would be Clinton lite)
- JackFr 6y agoThere’s something terrible about the primary system and it’s not obvious how to fix it. It is ostensibly more representative than the system which came before it, but honestly it seems in the past 20 years to have delivered extraordinarily low quality candidates for both parties more often than not. It’s not clear what the solution is though.
- derwiki 6y agoWhat was better about primary candidates pre-2000?
- mc32 6y agoCounterintuitively primaries are more democratic now compared to before when backroom dealing often had more sway. Maybe what's happening now is that early on in primaries enthusiastic voters vote for fresh kids, then as things progress more seasoned voters vote for more established candidates but by then most good established candidates have dropped off and we’re left with the second bests and hangers on. Kind of a paradox of choice in the political arena.
- abc-xyz 6y agoYeah, I’m afraid so. I wish liberal politicians were willing to stand up to China, and I try to encourage them to do so. But at the moment I’m unfortunately stuck supporting people like Trump. At the end of the day it boils down to how much damage is Trump and other conservatives able to inflict compared to the CCP. I’m pro immigration, privacy, eu, choice, police-reforms, etc. my views are very much aligned with what you see in Scandinavia.. but at the end of the day, I see CCP as the greatest threat that the world is facing, and I feel voting against all my beliefs to help stop them is a necessary sacrifice.
- tomp 6y agoTechnically, having started no new wars, makes him one of the best presidents in history (as a non-American, that's the most important dimension of any US presidency.) (Caveat: I think US entering WWII was justified so I don't blame FDR, and also given that Bush & Obama attacked so many countries, it's hard to find another country to invade, so arguably Trump had an easier job... but still. Good job!)
- CapricornNoble 6y ago>>>So China’s so big of an existential threat that you’ll let one of the worst presidents in history have another 4 years to continue screwing the country? How screwed do you think the entire country will be if the Chinese continue their naval expansion unchecked[1][2], defeat us in a conflict, and de-throne the USD as the primary unit of exchange for energy resources?[3] What do you think happens to the US economy if we can't print the world's reserve currency like Monopoly money anymore?[4] Those are all far bigger, long-term strategic problems than the executive overreach we might experience with a President who's a rude narcissistic strongman....and almost no-one else who has campaigned for President or VP has even paid The CCP Problem lip-service (Biden started barking as if he was anti-China only in mimicry of Trump, arguably). [1]https://www.cnas.org/publications/reports/chinas-blue-water-navy-strategy-and-its-implications https://www.cnas.org/publications/reports/chinas-blue-water-... [2]https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2020/august/deciphering-chinas-world-class-naval-ambitions https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2020/august/decip... [3]https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/China-Russia-and-EU-edge-away-from-petrodollar https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/China-Russia-and-EU-edge-awa... [4]https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/072915/how-petrodollars-affect-us-dollar.asp https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/072915/how-petro...
- take_a_breath 6y ago==For reference, my views are aligned with Sanders but I’d vote for Trump solely based on his actions towards China.== What is Trump doing about the concentration camps this article is about?
- elliekelly 6y agoTacitly approving of them to Xi, according to Bolton.
- jkhdigital 6y agoYes, because we should all listen to and trust John Bolton, one of the worst war criminals of the 21st century. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/john-bolton-hawk-iraq-war-criminal-882916/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/politics/p...
- take_a_breath 6y agoI would sure be upset with whoever nominated him to join the National Security Council.
- jkhdigital 6y agoI am! It was a horrible mistake and I'm glad he's gone now. But to be clear, Bolton did the vast majority of his damage during the Bush administration.
- take_a_breath 6y agoThen Trump decided to bring him back. Right after the recently arrested Steve Brannon left. Only the best people.
- DataWorker 6y ago“According to Bolton”