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Well, US greed gave China this power. Cancel culture have nothing to do with this. There were a lot of left leaning voices in the ninetees warning against the t

by mola 6y ago

Well, US greed gave China this power. Cancel culture have nothing to do with this. There were a lot of left leaning voices in the ninetees warning against the trajectory of globalism. The sell out of US manufacturing was done by people with money, not the people who dislike racism (and show it in a weird and harmful way).

microcolonel 6y ago
> US greed gave China this power Maybe from the U.S. perspective, but at this point there are heaps of countries around the world who at least claim to be dependent on China. This is a matter of global moral cowardice; at least today, the U.S. is more ready to say no to it.
- wayneftw 6y ago
  Actually, this is a matter of global espionage. The CCP didn’t just appear organically, it was put there by people who have been working for generations, to build a one world government. Communism in China was not started by the Chinese. Yale also spurred Mao’s emergence. If you search for that phrase you’ll see an old Yale newspaper article about it. Yale, the home of skull and bones, the elite university built from opium money. The world is a lot darker than most people realize.
- coldtea 6y ago
  Or just another case of made-up US exceptionalism ("oh, how braver we are than those others for saying no to China now"), after the US corporations/market had profited from cheap Chinese manufacturing and sweat shop labor for years, and takes the high moral ground only now that "coincidentally" has an economic problem and wants to stop all the outsourcing. Meanwhile, all this talk of "global moral cowardice" was hardly there for hundreds of instances of the US doing all kinds of shit to third countries throughout the 20th and 21st century with bi-partisan agreement and the public hardly caring... China is shitted upon for those detention camps (and rightly so). Meanwhile, over a million muslim deaths have been directly and indirectly (e.g. pharmaceutical and food shortages) caused by the Iraq embargo/invasion alone [1] (one of several), and people talk about China as if their shit doesn't smell... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iraq#Estimates_of_deaths_due_to_sanctions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iraq#Estimat...
  - microcolonel 6y ago
    For example, Australia won't even withdraw special trade relations with Hong Kong now that the PRC is compromising the whole point of that status, the U.S. went ahead and did so.
    - coldtea 6y ago
      Isn't that just because the U.S. has strategic and economic interests to put pressure on China (and otherwise could not give less ducks about democracy, morals, or Hong Kongers for that matter. Especially since they don't have and historically didn't also have any problem with all kinds of dictators, right wing governments, etc. (from Suharto and Pinochet to UAE), as long as they were allies.
      - microcolonel 6y ago
        The thing about the Hong Kong annexation is that the same thing that threatens Americans' moral preferences is also bad for business; it doesn't actually matter why you value Hong Kong's legal sovereignty, because the stakes are the same.
  - hajile 6y ago
    Did we read the same article? > A 2017 study in the British Medical Journal described "the rigging of the 1999 Unicef survey" as "an especially masterful fraud".[12] The three comprehensive surveys conducted since 2003 all found that the child mortality rate in the period 1995-2000 was approximately 40 per 1000, which means that there was no major rise in child mortality in Iraq after sanctions were implemented. You seem to forget that the Iraqis liked Saddam which is the only reason he stayed in power. Did they care about the genocide of the Kurds? I think not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anfal_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anfal_genocide Want more proof? 15 years after Saddam was executed, they were still proceeding with their ethnic cleansing of the Kurds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Iraqi%E2%80%93Kurdish_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Iraqi%E2%80%93Kurdish_con... If you really want someone to blame, blame France, England, and Russia for arbitrarily drawing up countries after WW1 without considering that people in the middle east wouldn't overcome their nationalism and racism which would lead to continuous conflict. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement
read_if_gay_ 6y ago
No one is blaming this on cancel culture, that'd be obvious nonsense, they're just saying cancel culture is applied selectively.
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by mola 6y ago

microcolonel 6y ago

> US greed gave China this power Maybe from the U.S. perspective, but at this point there are heaps of countries around the world who at least claim to be dependent on China. This is a matter of global moral cowardice; at least today, the U.S. is more ready to say no to it.

wayneftw 6y ago
Actually, this is a matter of global espionage. The CCP didn’t just appear organically, it was put there by people who have been working for generations, to build a one world government. Communism in China was not started by the Chinese. Yale also spurred Mao’s emergence. If you search for that phrase you’ll see an old Yale newspaper article about it. Yale, the home of skull and bones, the elite university built from opium money. The world is a lot darker than most people realize.
coldtea 6y ago
Or just another case of made-up US exceptionalism ("oh, how braver we are than those others for saying no to China now"), after the US corporations/market had profited from cheap Chinese manufacturing and sweat shop labor for years, and takes the high moral ground only now that "coincidentally" has an economic problem and wants to stop all the outsourcing. Meanwhile, all this talk of "global moral cowardice" was hardly there for hundreds of instances of the US doing all kinds of shit to third countries throughout the 20th and 21st century with bi-partisan agreement and the public hardly caring... China is shitted upon for those detention camps (and rightly so). Meanwhile, over a million muslim deaths have been directly and indirectly (e.g. pharmaceutical and food shortages) caused by the Iraq embargo/invasion alone [1] (one of several), and people talk about China as if their shit doesn't smell... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iraq#Estimates_of_deaths_due_to_sanctions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iraq#Estimat...
- microcolonel 6y ago
  For example, Australia won't even withdraw special trade relations with Hong Kong now that the PRC is compromising the whole point of that status, the U.S. went ahead and did so.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    Isn't that just because the U.S. has strategic and economic interests to put pressure on China (and otherwise could not give less ducks about democracy, morals, or Hong Kongers for that matter. Especially since they don't have and historically didn't also have any problem with all kinds of dictators, right wing governments, etc. (from Suharto and Pinochet to UAE), as long as they were allies.
    - microcolonel 6y ago
      The thing about the Hong Kong annexation is that the same thing that threatens Americans' moral preferences is also bad for business; it doesn't actually matter why you value Hong Kong's legal sovereignty, because the stakes are the same.
- hajile 6y ago
  Did we read the same article? > A 2017 study in the British Medical Journal described "the rigging of the 1999 Unicef survey" as "an especially masterful fraud".[12] The three comprehensive surveys conducted since 2003 all found that the child mortality rate in the period 1995-2000 was approximately 40 per 1000, which means that there was no major rise in child mortality in Iraq after sanctions were implemented. You seem to forget that the Iraqis liked Saddam which is the only reason he stayed in power. Did they care about the genocide of the Kurds? I think not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anfal_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anfal_genocide Want more proof? 15 years after Saddam was executed, they were still proceeding with their ethnic cleansing of the Kurds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Iraqi%E2%80%93Kurdish_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Iraqi%E2%80%93Kurdish_con... If you really want someone to blame, blame France, England, and Russia for arbitrarily drawing up countries after WW1 without considering that people in the middle east wouldn't overcome their nationalism and racism which would lead to continuous conflict. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement

read_if_gay_ 6y ago

No one is blaming this on cancel culture, that'd be obvious nonsense, they're just saying cancel culture is applied selectively.

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