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> At the end of the day it's a phone that you call people on. this is certainly no longer the case

by summitsummit 6y ago

RandoHolmes 6y ago
You don't use your phone for phone calls? That seems like a strange use for a phone...
- metiscus 6y ago
  I think you are missing the point. Yes a smartphone is a phone but it has become integrated into people's lives as much more than that.
  - RandoHolmes 6y ago
    So your argument is that because people really really really like their smartphones, FB should be able to tell everyone that Apple is charging them money? Non-Sequitur if I've ever seen one.
    - ashwoods 6y ago
      I think the point is that even though it is called a phone, it is actually a portable super computer, and in many cases the only one people have. We can’t pretend it is only a device we use to call other people, it is the gateway to our digital lives. From banking, access to government services, to connecting to our loved ones and leisure.
      - RandoHolmes 6y ago
        That's irrelevant to the issue at hand. It wasn't even the main gist of my initial comment, but it was the one that got sniped because this is a technical board and people love their "well akshually"'s. The main gist is that FB is trying to use their customers to bring force to bear on Apple so they can make more money. They don't give a shit about the customers. And the customers aren't paying more money. Some of us can disagree with Apple's approach to their walled garden without thinking that means FB should be empathized with here. They're both shitty company's in their own way, but at least Apple isn't putting its customers in the middle of their fight. THAT was the main gist of my comment, and what no one wanted to actually address.
- hhjinks 6y ago
  99% of people's use of smart phones has nothing to do with calling people.
  - nazka 6y ago
    Ya I’m actually sad that we now don’t call people as often as before...
    - munk-a 6y ago
      I'm not - I enjoy calls with family and the like but for anything business related it's a huge distraction and generally an assumption that the caller's time is more valuable than the callees. Send me an email or a IM/DM so that I can consume your point and respond on a schedule that suites me.
      - RandoHolmes 6y ago
        email doesn't imply a phone. In fact, I'd argue the phone aspect argues against what you're trying to say here. That you don't actually need to be able to see and respond to email immediately so having a phone is a moot point there.
        NeutronStar 6y ago
        Yeah, let me bring my desktop on road trips, it'll work so well! Ah yes, let's bring the laptop to the beach, that's gonna go as well too!
      - nazka 6y ago
        Ya I was talking more about friends and family.

> At the end of the day it's a phone that you call people on. this is certainly no longer the case

RandoHolmes 6y ago

You don't use your phone for phone calls? That seems like a strange use for a phone...

metiscus 6y ago
I think you are missing the point. Yes a smartphone is a phone but it has become integrated into people's lives as much more than that.
- RandoHolmes 6y ago
  So your argument is that because people really really really like their smartphones, FB should be able to tell everyone that Apple is charging them money? Non-Sequitur if I've ever seen one.
  - ashwoods 6y ago
    I think the point is that even though it is called a phone, it is actually a portable super computer, and in many cases the only one people have. We can’t pretend it is only a device we use to call other people, it is the gateway to our digital lives. From banking, access to government services, to connecting to our loved ones and leisure.
    - RandoHolmes 6y ago
      That's irrelevant to the issue at hand. It wasn't even the main gist of my initial comment, but it was the one that got sniped because this is a technical board and people love their "well akshually"'s. The main gist is that FB is trying to use their customers to bring force to bear on Apple so they can make more money. They don't give a shit about the customers. And the customers aren't paying more money. Some of us can disagree with Apple's approach to their walled garden without thinking that means FB should be empathized with here. They're both shitty company's in their own way, but at least Apple isn't putting its customers in the middle of their fight. THAT was the main gist of my comment, and what no one wanted to actually address.
hhjinks 6y ago
99% of people's use of smart phones has nothing to do with calling people.
- nazka 6y ago
  Ya I’m actually sad that we now don’t call people as often as before...
  - munk-a 6y ago
    I'm not - I enjoy calls with family and the like but for anything business related it's a huge distraction and generally an assumption that the caller's time is more valuable than the callees. Send me an email or a IM/DM so that I can consume your point and respond on a schedule that suites me.
    - RandoHolmes 6y ago
      email doesn't imply a phone. In fact, I'd argue the phone aspect argues against what you're trying to say here. That you don't actually need to be able to see and respond to email immediately so having a phone is a moot point there.
      - NeutronStar 6y ago
        Yeah, let me bring my desktop on road trips, it'll work so well! Ah yes, let's bring the laptop to the beach, that's gonna go as well too!
    - nazka 6y ago
      Ya I was talking more about friends and family.