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> No, it wasn’t, it was written by a police officer. The ad was posted by a police unit conducting a sting operations designed to catch child predators, and no

> No, it wasn’t, it was written by a police officer. The ad was posted by a police unit conducting a sting operations designed to catch child predators, and not only did the underage girl depicted in the ad stated repeatedly she was 13 years old but she also sounded like "an immature teenager". > Did he not repeatedly explain why he thought the person he was talking to was not 13? The convicted sex offender acknowledged he was fully aware the girl he tried to meet for sex was 13 years old.

fuzxi 6y ago
>The convicted sex offender acknowledged he was fully aware the girl he tried to meet for sex was 13 years old. Did we read the same article? >>They pressed him on why he wanted to have sex with a 13-year-old. He answered, repeatedly, that he didn’t believe she was 13: Her picture didn’t look like she was 13; he thought she might be a grown woman engaging in role play; people online lie all the time, so he went to see for himself; when a woman who appeared to be in her 20s opened the door, he followed her inside for sex. >>“I do not believe that you came here to verify if this girl was 21,” the detective said. “You couldn’t help yourself.” >>“If she was 13, I was going to turn around and walk away,” Hambrick said.
- Natsu 6y ago
  That's silly, though. If you meet someone claiming to be 13, you shouldn't meet up with them for sex whether or not they're lying. This is just an attempt to shut down the operations that catch pedos as a step towards normalizing it. Nobody is being fooled here.
  - commoner 6y ago
    > This is just an attempt to shut down the operations that catch pedos as a step towards normalizing it. No, this article exposes Net Nanny as an entrapment scheme that imprisoned a 20-year-old man for meeting a 24-year-old police officer. The ethics of Net Nanny are as questionable as the ethics of privately owned prisons, since Net Nanny focuses on maximizing convictions from situations it haphazardly creates, rather than solving real child sexual abuse cases.
    - Natsu 6y ago
      That's not "entrapment" under the legal definition. This is like saying that bait cars don't help with car theft because nobody would've stolen the car if they knew it was a bait car.
      - commoner 6y ago
        The difference is that the "bait" used in this case is a 24-year-old woman with a wrinkled forehead: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/08/30/magazine/30mag-NetNanny-image-03/30mag-NetNanny-image-03-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/08/30/magazine/30mag-Ne... Hambrick was imprisoned for meeting the 24-year-old woman (who he had identified as an adult), not a 13-year-old girl. There were no children involved in any part of his case. Theft from a bait car is still theft, while meeting a 24-year-old woman is not meeting a child. If the middle-aged detective had not provided a false age to Hambrick, then Hambrick would not have been imprisoned. The fact that Hambrick was imprisoned is a failure of the American legal system's ability to recognize the harm of using false information to induce someone with no criminal record to perform an action that would lead to that person's imprisonment.
        Natsu 6y ago
        This whole thing is about trying to find and out for pedos to slip into their chats to avoid getting caught in a sting operation. The bait is always fake. No normal person is going to go to the house of someone who claims to be 13 for sex. It's either the FBI, an actual 13 year old, or someone not mentally able to consent to sex. In no event does going there make any sense to a normal person. Moreover, the premise of the headline is absurd. Not allowing any victims to be created is the ideal. If everyone willing to engage in pedophilia ends up chatting with a cop and landing in jail instead, that's the best case scenario.
        commoner 6y ago
        > If everyone willing to engage in pedophilia ends up chatting with a cop and landing in jail instead, that's the best case scenario. The woman was 24 years old, had the appearance of an adult, was identified by Hambrick as an adult, and had her messages written by a middle-aged man, so there is very little evidence that Hambrick would have been willing to engage in pedophilia. Imprisoning people with no criminal records for crimes that they are suspected of being willing to commit is a situation straight out of Minority Report.

fuzxi 6y ago

>The convicted sex offender acknowledged he was fully aware the girl he tried to meet for sex was 13 years old. Did we read the same article? >>They pressed him on why he wanted to have sex with a 13-year-old. He answered, repeatedly, that he didn’t believe she was 13: Her picture didn’t look like she was 13; he thought she might be a grown woman engaging in role play; people online lie all the time, so he went to see for himself; when a woman who appeared to be in her 20s opened the door, he followed her inside for sex. >>“I do not believe that you came here to verify if this girl was 21,” the detective said. “You couldn’t help yourself.” >>“If she was 13, I was going to turn around and walk away,” Hambrick said.

Natsu 6y ago
That's silly, though. If you meet someone claiming to be 13, you shouldn't meet up with them for sex whether or not they're lying. This is just an attempt to shut down the operations that catch pedos as a step towards normalizing it. Nobody is being fooled here.
- commoner 6y ago
  > This is just an attempt to shut down the operations that catch pedos as a step towards normalizing it. No, this article exposes Net Nanny as an entrapment scheme that imprisoned a 20-year-old man for meeting a 24-year-old police officer. The ethics of Net Nanny are as questionable as the ethics of privately owned prisons, since Net Nanny focuses on maximizing convictions from situations it haphazardly creates, rather than solving real child sexual abuse cases.
  - Natsu 6y ago
    That's not "entrapment" under the legal definition. This is like saying that bait cars don't help with car theft because nobody would've stolen the car if they knew it was a bait car.
    - commoner 6y ago
      The difference is that the "bait" used in this case is a 24-year-old woman with a wrinkled forehead: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/08/30/magazine/30mag-NetNanny-image-03/30mag-NetNanny-image-03-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/08/30/magazine/30mag-Ne... Hambrick was imprisoned for meeting the 24-year-old woman (who he had identified as an adult), not a 13-year-old girl. There were no children involved in any part of his case. Theft from a bait car is still theft, while meeting a 24-year-old woman is not meeting a child. If the middle-aged detective had not provided a false age to Hambrick, then Hambrick would not have been imprisoned. The fact that Hambrick was imprisoned is a failure of the American legal system's ability to recognize the harm of using false information to induce someone with no criminal record to perform an action that would lead to that person's imprisonment.
      - Natsu 6y ago
        This whole thing is about trying to find and out for pedos to slip into their chats to avoid getting caught in a sting operation. The bait is always fake. No normal person is going to go to the house of someone who claims to be 13 for sex. It's either the FBI, an actual 13 year old, or someone not mentally able to consent to sex. In no event does going there make any sense to a normal person. Moreover, the premise of the headline is absurd. Not allowing any victims to be created is the ideal. If everyone willing to engage in pedophilia ends up chatting with a cop and landing in jail instead, that's the best case scenario.
        commoner 6y ago
        > If everyone willing to engage in pedophilia ends up chatting with a cop and landing in jail instead, that's the best case scenario. The woman was 24 years old, had the appearance of an adult, was identified by Hambrick as an adult, and had her messages written by a middle-aged man, so there is very little evidence that Hambrick would have been willing to engage in pedophilia. Imprisoning people with no criminal records for crimes that they are suspected of being willing to commit is a situation straight out of Minority Report.