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> No. One officer sent the man pictures of a 24 year old woman and lied to him that she was 13. No, the officer conducting the sting happened to be 24 years ol

> No. One officer sent the man pictures of a 24 year old woman and lied to him that she was 13. No, the officer conducting the sting happened to be 24 years old. Yet, not only was the girl making it quite clear she was indeed 13 years old but also the whole sting operation was conducted based on the depiction of a 13 year old girl. Even the article, in spite of its spin, makes it quite clear that the 13 year old girl the man tried to meet for sex sounded like an immature teenager.

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fuzxi 6y ago
>No, the officer conducting the sting happened to be 24 years old. And happened to look like a 24 year old. >Even the article, in spite of its spin, makes it quite clear that the 13 year old girl the man tried to meet for sex sounded like an immature teenager. From the article: >She used slang a 13-year-old probably wouldn’t know, like “FTP” — “[expletive] the police” — that originated in ’80s hip-hop. The vulgarities and snide tone seemed too adult. >Detective Robert Givens, a middle-aged man, testified that he had written all the Gamer Gurl emails and texts. How many middle-aged men have you met who can accurately write thirteen-year-old girls?
- rumanator 6y ago
  > And happened to look like a 24 year old. Would it matter to you if it was a middle-aged man with a moustache? I mean, the same sex offender also admitted he once tried to meet a girl for sex even though it ended up being a 70 year old man. Doesn't seem to be a problem. > From the article: What's your point? That children never use clichés or memes or try to act older than they are? I mean, do you believe a 13 year old girl that states quite clearly she is 13 years old is actually in her 50s if she mentions Miami Vice? > How many middle-aged men have you met who can accurately write thirteen-year-old girls? According to the sex offender caught in the sting, quite a few times. In fact, the article stated he once met a 70 year old man when he thought he was meeting a young girl.
  - fuzxi 6y ago
    >Would it matter to you if it was a middle-aged man with a moustache? Lol. Please, stop for just a second, and imagine that situation. This guy responds to a personal ad for sex. Gets a response that says "i'm 13" and a picture of a middle-aged man. Goes over to the poster's house, is greeted by that same middle-aged man, and goes inside. Do you really think that guy is there to have sex with a teenager? >What's your point? That there were innumerable little hints that he was not talking to a teenager. The picture was a big one, the writing style, cultural knowledge from well before she would have been born, precise directions. >a 13 year old girl that states quite clearly she is 13 years old I'm already tired of hearing you say this. Words don't overwhelm all other evidence simply by virtue of being explicit. If I offer you $1000 in cash but tell you it's a dog turd, are you a fool for grabbing it? Look, I'm not saying Hambrick had no ill intentions. I'm saying that there is more than enough reasonable doubt about the claim that he went to that house intending to have sex with a thirteen-year-old, and that reasonable doubt is enough to not effectively end his life.
    - rumanator 6y ago
      > Lol. Please, stop for just a second, and imagine that situation. This guy responds to a personal ad for sex. Gets a response that says "i'm 13" and a picture of a middle-aged man. Goes over to the poster's house, is greeted by that same middle-aged man, and goes inside. You're imagining situations. If you get back to reality you'll find that the convicted sex offender got a response from a 13 year old girl stating repeatedly and quite clearly that she was 13 years old, and he not only acknowledged she was 13 years old old but also decided it was in his best interests to try to have sex with a 13 year old girl. I mean, are you so desperate to defend a conviced sex offender who was caught in the act that you even feel compelled to claim that pics people send through dating sites are the absolute source of truth regarding who that person is and is represented? Really? > I'm already tired of hearing you say this. You're in a discussion on how a convicted sex offender was caught by the police trying to have sex with a 13 year old girl he met online. If you are tired of hearing the facts for whatever reason, whether they are inconvenient to you or you simply prefer to cherry-pick info that makes you feel comfortable, then that issue has nothing to do with this discussion or the topic, but it's a personal issue you need to address. > Look, I'm not saying Hambrick had no ill intentions. The guy was caught trying to meet a 13 year old girl for sex, while fully aware that she was 13 years old. Of course he had ill intentions. That's why he, and a bunch of other sex offenders, were caught and trialed and sentenced by a court of law in the same sting.
stickfigure 6y ago
Most 20-somethings sound like immature teenagers in text to me. Let's imagine all the facts were the same, but the police sent a picture of Nancy Pelosi instead. And when the poor schmuck showed up with a condom in his pocket, Nancy herself beckoned him in. Are you still going to convict him based on text proclaiming that she's 13? Now, are you saying - without any reasonable doubt - that a 20yo can't tell the difference between a 13yo and a 24yo? At the very least, if these sorts of stings are going to have any credibility, the police need to try harder.
- rumanator 6y ago
  > Let's imagine all the facts were the same, but the police sent a picture of Nancy Pelosi instead. And when the poor schmuck showed up with a condom in his pocket, Nancy herself beckoned him in. Are you still going to convict him based on text proclaiming that she's 13? The girl who posted the ad stated repeatedly she was 13 years old. The convicted sex offender was fully aware he was meeting a 13 year old girl with the express goal of having sex with her. It makes no difference if the girl had posted pictures of herself or the pope. She stated she was 13 years old, the convicted sex offender knew he was 13 years old, he was fully aware he was meeting a 13 year old girl for sex, and he was caught by the police while knocking at the door of a 13 year old girl to try to have sex with her. And your best argument against all those facts is that you feel that pics people send online in dating sites are the source of truth, and all the facts all in the open, including the sex offender's own admission he was meeting a 13 years old girl to have sex with said 13 years old girl, should matter nothing?
  - stickfigure 6y ago
    What on earth? He wasn't a convicted sex offender until after this sequence of events. You're also assuming that he believed she was 13, which is contradicted by his words in the article. HN policy is to assume good faith, but I'm finding that incredibly hard in this discussion. I sincerely hope you never sit on a jury.

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fuzxi 6y ago

>No, the officer conducting the sting happened to be 24 years old. And happened to look like a 24 year old. >Even the article, in spite of its spin, makes it quite clear that the 13 year old girl the man tried to meet for sex sounded like an immature teenager. From the article: >She used slang a 13-year-old probably wouldn’t know, like “FTP” — “[expletive] the police” — that originated in ’80s hip-hop. The vulgarities and snide tone seemed too adult. >Detective Robert Givens, a middle-aged man, testified that he had written all the Gamer Gurl emails and texts. How many middle-aged men have you met who can accurately write thirteen-year-old girls?

rumanator 6y ago
> And happened to look like a 24 year old. Would it matter to you if it was a middle-aged man with a moustache? I mean, the same sex offender also admitted he once tried to meet a girl for sex even though it ended up being a 70 year old man. Doesn't seem to be a problem. > From the article: What's your point? That children never use clichés or memes or try to act older than they are? I mean, do you believe a 13 year old girl that states quite clearly she is 13 years old is actually in her 50s if she mentions Miami Vice? > How many middle-aged men have you met who can accurately write thirteen-year-old girls? According to the sex offender caught in the sting, quite a few times. In fact, the article stated he once met a 70 year old man when he thought he was meeting a young girl.
- fuzxi 6y ago
  >Would it matter to you if it was a middle-aged man with a moustache? Lol. Please, stop for just a second, and imagine that situation. This guy responds to a personal ad for sex. Gets a response that says "i'm 13" and a picture of a middle-aged man. Goes over to the poster's house, is greeted by that same middle-aged man, and goes inside. Do you really think that guy is there to have sex with a teenager? >What's your point? That there were innumerable little hints that he was not talking to a teenager. The picture was a big one, the writing style, cultural knowledge from well before she would have been born, precise directions. >a 13 year old girl that states quite clearly she is 13 years old I'm already tired of hearing you say this. Words don't overwhelm all other evidence simply by virtue of being explicit. If I offer you $1000 in cash but tell you it's a dog turd, are you a fool for grabbing it? Look, I'm not saying Hambrick had no ill intentions. I'm saying that there is more than enough reasonable doubt about the claim that he went to that house intending to have sex with a thirteen-year-old, and that reasonable doubt is enough to not effectively end his life.
  - rumanator 6y ago
    > Lol. Please, stop for just a second, and imagine that situation. This guy responds to a personal ad for sex. Gets a response that says "i'm 13" and a picture of a middle-aged man. Goes over to the poster's house, is greeted by that same middle-aged man, and goes inside. You're imagining situations. If you get back to reality you'll find that the convicted sex offender got a response from a 13 year old girl stating repeatedly and quite clearly that she was 13 years old, and he not only acknowledged she was 13 years old old but also decided it was in his best interests to try to have sex with a 13 year old girl. I mean, are you so desperate to defend a conviced sex offender who was caught in the act that you even feel compelled to claim that pics people send through dating sites are the absolute source of truth regarding who that person is and is represented? Really? > I'm already tired of hearing you say this. You're in a discussion on how a convicted sex offender was caught by the police trying to have sex with a 13 year old girl he met online. If you are tired of hearing the facts for whatever reason, whether they are inconvenient to you or you simply prefer to cherry-pick info that makes you feel comfortable, then that issue has nothing to do with this discussion or the topic, but it's a personal issue you need to address. > Look, I'm not saying Hambrick had no ill intentions. The guy was caught trying to meet a 13 year old girl for sex, while fully aware that she was 13 years old. Of course he had ill intentions. That's why he, and a bunch of other sex offenders, were caught and trialed and sentenced by a court of law in the same sting.

stickfigure 6y ago

Most 20-somethings sound like immature teenagers in text to me. Let's imagine all the facts were the same, but the police sent a picture of Nancy Pelosi instead. And when the poor schmuck showed up with a condom in his pocket, Nancy herself beckoned him in. Are you still going to convict him based on text proclaiming that she's 13? Now, are you saying - without any reasonable doubt - that a 20yo can't tell the difference between a 13yo and a 24yo? At the very least, if these sorts of stings are going to have any credibility, the police need to try harder.

rumanator 6y ago
> Let's imagine all the facts were the same, but the police sent a picture of Nancy Pelosi instead. And when the poor schmuck showed up with a condom in his pocket, Nancy herself beckoned him in. Are you still going to convict him based on text proclaiming that she's 13? The girl who posted the ad stated repeatedly she was 13 years old. The convicted sex offender was fully aware he was meeting a 13 year old girl with the express goal of having sex with her. It makes no difference if the girl had posted pictures of herself or the pope. She stated she was 13 years old, the convicted sex offender knew he was 13 years old, he was fully aware he was meeting a 13 year old girl for sex, and he was caught by the police while knocking at the door of a 13 year old girl to try to have sex with her. And your best argument against all those facts is that you feel that pics people send online in dating sites are the source of truth, and all the facts all in the open, including the sex offender's own admission he was meeting a 13 years old girl to have sex with said 13 years old girl, should matter nothing?
- stickfigure 6y ago
  What on earth? He wasn't a convicted sex offender until after this sequence of events. You're also assuming that he believed she was 13, which is contradicted by his words in the article. HN policy is to assume good faith, but I'm finding that incredibly hard in this discussion. I sincerely hope you never sit on a jury.