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It would be even better if the tool could make a difference between legitimate protesters and those who are there to riot, loot, pillage and burn since I see no

It would be even better if the tool could make a difference between legitimate protesters and those who are there to riot, loot, pillage and burn since I see no reason to mask their faces.

verdverm 6y ago
Interesting but difficult. What would one do about the rioters wearing "press" on their clothes? Seems double edged considering the murder / suicide we saw this week in Kenosha
- Yetanfou 6y ago
  For human observers it is rather easy to separate the rioters from protesters when observing video streams. On still images this is much harder unless the image happens to catch a rioter in the act of slinging a Molotov cocktail or swinging a 2x4 at a shopkeeper. A combination of facial recognition and a model which has been trained to recognise rioting and rioters might get you a long way. ...like they're doing in China, except that they're looking for dissenters instead of rioters... ...which is not exactly an endorsement.
  - burfog 6y ago
    It's not easy. The protester seen from the front in one video could also be a murderer seen from the back in a different video. Harmless protesters are safe in the USA. They don't need to be covered up. Covering them is effectively an acknowledgement that they are not in fact peaceful.
    - Yetanfou 6y ago
      Well, yes, in the USA this is probably the case. The world is a lot bigger than the USA and encompasses a multitude of countries where protesting is best done anonymously. The 'black block' tactics by the likes of AFA/Antifa are another story, these are people who go out with the intention to harm those who they consider to be their opponents, i.e. the opposite of the term 'peaceful protests' which is bandied around so much. They are the ones I'd like to unmask or at least not have masked by any software made to protect the privacy of real protesters. On the subject of that protester from one video being a murderer on another, not really. If you only have a single source this problem exists and is unavoidable, so much is clear. When you have multiple sources from different angles it becomes possible to correlate the person seen from the back in source A with the murderer in source B and with that identify that person in source A as the murderer.
      - burfog 6y ago
        In one photo, showing a murder, the murderer is seen from the back. (as happened recently in Portland) In another photo, he is seen from the front, somewhat peacefully protesting. (his daughter was in the vicinity and held a weapon that he could have used) If the face had been hidden in the protest photo, then that photo would not be useful for solving the murder.

It would be even better if the tool could make a difference between legitimate protesters and those who are there to riot, loot, pillage and burn since I see no reason to mask their faces.

verdverm 6y ago

Interesting but difficult. What would one do about the rioters wearing "press" on their clothes? Seems double edged considering the murder / suicide we saw this week in Kenosha

Yetanfou 6y ago
For human observers it is rather easy to separate the rioters from protesters when observing video streams. On still images this is much harder unless the image happens to catch a rioter in the act of slinging a Molotov cocktail or swinging a 2x4 at a shopkeeper. A combination of facial recognition and a model which has been trained to recognise rioting and rioters might get you a long way. ...like they're doing in China, except that they're looking for dissenters instead of rioters... ...which is not exactly an endorsement.
- burfog 6y ago
  It's not easy. The protester seen from the front in one video could also be a murderer seen from the back in a different video. Harmless protesters are safe in the USA. They don't need to be covered up. Covering them is effectively an acknowledgement that they are not in fact peaceful.
  - Yetanfou 6y ago
    Well, yes, in the USA this is probably the case. The world is a lot bigger than the USA and encompasses a multitude of countries where protesting is best done anonymously. The 'black block' tactics by the likes of AFA/Antifa are another story, these are people who go out with the intention to harm those who they consider to be their opponents, i.e. the opposite of the term 'peaceful protests' which is bandied around so much. They are the ones I'd like to unmask or at least not have masked by any software made to protect the privacy of real protesters. On the subject of that protester from one video being a murderer on another, not really. If you only have a single source this problem exists and is unavoidable, so much is clear. When you have multiple sources from different angles it becomes possible to correlate the person seen from the back in source A with the murderer in source B and with that identify that person in source A as the murderer.
    - burfog 6y ago
      In one photo, showing a murder, the murderer is seen from the back. (as happened recently in Portland) In another photo, he is seen from the front, somewhat peacefully protesting. (his daughter was in the vicinity and held a weapon that he could have used) If the face had been hidden in the protest photo, then that photo would not be useful for solving the murder.