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I thought "Wow, cool - I gonna sign up". And then I saw their sign up form. 10 fields is a bit too much.

pengaru 6y ago
Even such low barriers as a small form do wonders for the quality of people on the other side, you won't be missed. (if you genuinely can't be bothered)
- INTPenis 6y ago
  Harsh but true, I remember telling my life story to sign up for text based message boards.
- Krisando 6y ago
  From personal experience in running similar things, they aren't a good method of discerning quality of people.
  - NalNezumi 6y ago
    I'm curious, what are the "good" methods for discerning/filtering quality of people? How are "good" and "bad" quality of people categorized? (binary? spectrum/distribution?) How can you estimate/measure the quality of the filter/method with precision? I assume no filter is perfect and mistakenly filter out "good" quality people too, so if this method isn't good that suggest there's a metric and a more efficient method out there. In your personal experience what worked better?
    - kristopolous 6y ago
      I've really liked metafilters $5 lifetime membership model. Seems to work
    - Krisando 6y ago
      > I'm curious, what are the "good" methods for discerning/filtering quality of people? Observation is probably the best method. I rarely have found form options to be effective. A good chunk of 'good' people tend to get filtered out from my observation. Generally the approach that has worked for me having a tier system. People who meet your criteria get greater access etc over time. > How are "good" and "bad" quality of people categorized? Generally, "good" is anyone that helps your community prosper. "Bad" are typically people who cause unwanted conflicts, create a toxic environment etc.
- zhte415 6y ago
  Happy not to be missed.
- tasubotadas 6y ago
  If that's the attitude on the other side, then I guess the feeling is mutual :).
znpy 6y ago
It's probably better like this, don't worry.
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phre4k 6y ago
Send me an email and I get you an account on tilde.fun. It's pretty defunct right now but I'd like to have some actual users ;) No need for any personal info besides your email address.
- coronadisaster 6y ago
  Why do you need an email address? Reddit & HN don't.
  - phre4k 6y ago
    I don't but currently the ssh registration script is nonfunctional. Once that's working again you'd just have to give a fake mail address, but you won't be notified if we created an account for you this way.
  - dependenttypes 6y ago
    Probably to send the credentials. An alternative would be to ask tasubotadas to post their public key.
- tasubotadas 6y ago
  Thanks, I just wanted to play around so there is no real need to do that but here it is tadas dot subonis eta gmail dot com :)
puzzlingcaptcha 6y ago
Bah, back in my day you had to send the sysadmin a postcard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shareware#Postcardware https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shareware#Postcardware) to get your account approved ;) The picture database of all the postcards is still around [https://freeshell.de/postcards/ https://freeshell.de/postcards/] .
- GekkePrutser 6y ago
  What's this 'postcard' thing you speak of? I've heard a rumor people used to have slices of dead trees lugged around the world. But the latency would be enormous!!
  - detaro 6y ago
    The trick is to glue in some microSD cards. Trades bandwidth for latency.
Marcus316 6y ago
(Long time tilde.town member here) This is a fair criticism. There is a bit of a barrier to entry here. I think pengaru is unnecessarily harsh in his response. The server has a limited number of admins (really only a single main administrator with a handful of volunteer helpers), and the process of adding an account is mostly manual at the moment, I believe (with some helper scripts, of course). There are efforts underway to improve this. In the end, though, this is just one person's fun little side project. We're along for the ride, and I would like the admin to keep enjoying his project so I can share in that joy. If they don't have the time to address signup process improvements, I figure that's OK ... we're not in this for money or fame or anything, right? It's just ... fun (IMO).
- archangelic 6y ago
  Creating a user is luckily very automated, but we have had to increase the amount of information we ask to hopefully screen out bad actors who just want a shell account and then run bitcoin miners (which has happened several times).
  - phre4k 6y ago
    Can't you block bitcoin miners via limiting CPU time per user? As soon as a user hits x amount of minutes CPU per minute, you kill all his programs. Not nice but effective.
- phre4k 6y ago
  Tilde.fun has a somewhat working ssh signup with an admin interface: https://code.tilde.fun/tilde/ssh-reg https://code.tilde.fun/tilde/ssh-reg Maybe we can work together and create a lightweight admin framework.
justusthane 6y ago
There are dozens or hundreds of other hosts in the tildeverse that you could check out. I'm a member of ctrl-c.club, which has a much shorter sign-up form.

Even such low barriers as a small form do wonders for the quality of people on the other side, you won't be missed. (if you genuinely can't be bothered)

INTPenis 6y ago
Harsh but true, I remember telling my life story to sign up for text based message boards.
Krisando 6y ago
From personal experience in running similar things, they aren't a good method of discerning quality of people.
- NalNezumi 6y ago
  I'm curious, what are the "good" methods for discerning/filtering quality of people? How are "good" and "bad" quality of people categorized? (binary? spectrum/distribution?) How can you estimate/measure the quality of the filter/method with precision? I assume no filter is perfect and mistakenly filter out "good" quality people too, so if this method isn't good that suggest there's a metric and a more efficient method out there. In your personal experience what worked better?
  - kristopolous 6y ago
    I've really liked metafilters $5 lifetime membership model. Seems to work
  - Krisando 6y ago
    > I'm curious, what are the "good" methods for discerning/filtering quality of people? Observation is probably the best method. I rarely have found form options to be effective. A good chunk of 'good' people tend to get filtered out from my observation. Generally the approach that has worked for me having a tier system. People who meet your criteria get greater access etc over time. > How are "good" and "bad" quality of people categorized? Generally, "good" is anyone that helps your community prosper. "Bad" are typically people who cause unwanted conflicts, create a toxic environment etc.
zhte415 6y ago
Happy not to be missed.
tasubotadas 6y ago
If that's the attitude on the other side, then I guess the feeling is mutual :).

znpy 6y ago

It's probably better like this, don't worry.

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phre4k 6y ago

Send me an email and I get you an account on tilde.fun. It's pretty defunct right now but I'd like to have some actual users ;) No need for any personal info besides your email address.

coronadisaster 6y ago
Why do you need an email address? Reddit & HN don't.
- phre4k 6y ago
  I don't but currently the ssh registration script is nonfunctional. Once that's working again you'd just have to give a fake mail address, but you won't be notified if we created an account for you this way.
- dependenttypes 6y ago
  Probably to send the credentials. An alternative would be to ask tasubotadas to post their public key.
tasubotadas 6y ago
Thanks, I just wanted to play around so there is no real need to do that but here it is tadas dot subonis eta gmail dot com :)

puzzlingcaptcha 6y ago

Bah, back in my day you had to send the sysadmin a postcard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shareware#Postcardware https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shareware#Postcardware) to get your account approved ;) The picture database of all the postcards is still around [https://freeshell.de/postcards/ https://freeshell.de/postcards/] .

GekkePrutser 6y ago
What's this 'postcard' thing you speak of? I've heard a rumor people used to have slices of dead trees lugged around the world. But the latency would be enormous!!
- detaro 6y ago
  The trick is to glue in some microSD cards. Trades bandwidth for latency.

Marcus316 6y ago

(Long time tilde.town member here) This is a fair criticism. There is a bit of a barrier to entry here. I think pengaru is unnecessarily harsh in his response. The server has a limited number of admins (really only a single main administrator with a handful of volunteer helpers), and the process of adding an account is mostly manual at the moment, I believe (with some helper scripts, of course). There are efforts underway to improve this. In the end, though, this is just one person's fun little side project. We're along for the ride, and I would like the admin to keep enjoying his project so I can share in that joy. If they don't have the time to address signup process improvements, I figure that's OK ... we're not in this for money or fame or anything, right? It's just ... fun (IMO).

archangelic 6y ago
Creating a user is luckily very automated, but we have had to increase the amount of information we ask to hopefully screen out bad actors who just want a shell account and then run bitcoin miners (which has happened several times).
- phre4k 6y ago
  Can't you block bitcoin miners via limiting CPU time per user? As soon as a user hits x amount of minutes CPU per minute, you kill all his programs. Not nice but effective.
phre4k 6y ago
Tilde.fun has a somewhat working ssh signup with an admin interface: https://code.tilde.fun/tilde/ssh-reg https://code.tilde.fun/tilde/ssh-reg Maybe we can work together and create a lightweight admin framework.

justusthane 6y ago

There are dozens or hundreds of other hosts in the tildeverse that you could check out. I'm a member of ctrl-c.club, which has a much shorter sign-up form.