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Why do you guys not use https://whereby.com https://whereby.com (formerly appear.in), it’s free for 4 people, in-browser only, no-login, WebRTC, allows sharing

Why do you guys not use https://whereby.com https://whereby.com (formerly appear.in), it’s free for 4 people, in-browser only, no-login, WebRTC, allows sharing the screen alongside faces. But they made the 5+ rooms $9 per month, which is way too expensive. There are not enough competitors for WebRTC conf tools, it should be quite simple and $4-5 a month (WebRTC doesn’t incur data costs on the servers since the data is peer-to-peer).

a13n 6y ago
We used them for a while but the quality just isn’t nearly as stable as zoom.
dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
Maybe it's no-login, but in order to try it you need to register.
buzer 6y ago
> WebRTC doesn’t incur data costs on the servers since the data is peer-to-peer There are probably some operators that do pure p2p, but vast majority use some kind of bridge past certain number of users (& TURN might also be used for p2p). Usually this is to limit the amount of bandwidth participant needs. Another alternatives are https://meet.jit.si https://meet.jit.si & https://8x8.vc/ https://8x8.vc/. I cannot remember what was the current limit of participants in Jitsi (it was 75 back in June), but on 8x8.vc it's 100. In cases where you simply need a lot of viewers and limited number of participants there is also an option to livestream to Youtube. (Disclaimer: I work at 8x8, but not directly on Meet or Jitsi)
- sebmellen 6y ago
  8x8 has intrigued me, but I'm a bit confused as to what happened. Did 8x8 buy the Jitsi brand from Atlassian? And what's the benefit of 8x8 vs Jitsi pure? I might be a customer if 8x8 is a compelling alternative to Zoom without some of the downsides of Jitsi (generally less reliable).
  - k3liutZu 6y ago
    Disclaimer: I work at 8x8 (not specifically on meetings, but related) 8x8 offers more than just meetings. You can see the feature list here: https://www.8x8.com/products/video-conferencing https://www.8x8.com/products/video-conferencing Yes we bought Jitsi from Atlassian. The Jitsi based meetings are integrated into our complete UC offering (yet we still deliver stand-alone meeting clients for customers who might want only meetings).
matsemann 6y ago
I don't get your argument about the pricing. If you're 5+ people you can split that cost. If it's for professional use, a few dollars is a blip.
- laurent92 6y ago
  We’re 2 in our startup. - Fastmail costs $50 per person per year, - Gapps would be $60, - Whereby asks for $90 per user. It’s just a feeling that this is wrong for what they contribute, but you’re right, if we share one account for a team, that would be a lower cost. Maybe I was “anchored” by their previous pricing $4, which I thought I’d subscribe as soon as I’d have income, even though I didn’t need the paid features. But at $9, it’s a second psychological step. It feels like they stuff with features, where all we ask is often the WebRTC part.
  - smartbit 6y ago
    > Whereby asks for $90 per user. Whereby costs $90 per Organisation for Meetings up to 12 users. We have a url for each team without a password and it works for us. Yes, 1 person manages those meeting rooms. Add $10/month to extend to 50users. Whereby was the best I could find to share screen of Fedora, still limited as sharing only works under Firefox not their Chrome based app or any other variant of Chrome I could get my hands on. Zoom, jutsi and others couldn’t properly share screens nor application Windows.
zulln 6y ago
I used appear.in a few years ago between friends, it was really nice. Now however, having to pay $60 when you are 12+ people is a bit much when I can do it for free with Zoom. If it was for professional use $60 would not have mattered much, but that is not the case here. (Our university offers some kind of paid plan on Zoom for all students so it will be hard to beat regardless, but that is not true for everyone)

a13n 6y ago

We used them for a while but the quality just isn’t nearly as stable as zoom.

dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago

Maybe it's no-login, but in order to try it you need to register.

buzer 6y ago

> WebRTC doesn’t incur data costs on the servers since the data is peer-to-peer There are probably some operators that do pure p2p, but vast majority use some kind of bridge past certain number of users (& TURN might also be used for p2p). Usually this is to limit the amount of bandwidth participant needs. Another alternatives are https://meet.jit.si https://meet.jit.si & https://8x8.vc/ https://8x8.vc/. I cannot remember what was the current limit of participants in Jitsi (it was 75 back in June), but on 8x8.vc it's 100. In cases where you simply need a lot of viewers and limited number of participants there is also an option to livestream to Youtube. (Disclaimer: I work at 8x8, but not directly on Meet or Jitsi)

sebmellen 6y ago
8x8 has intrigued me, but I'm a bit confused as to what happened. Did 8x8 buy the Jitsi brand from Atlassian? And what's the benefit of 8x8 vs Jitsi pure? I might be a customer if 8x8 is a compelling alternative to Zoom without some of the downsides of Jitsi (generally less reliable).
- k3liutZu 6y ago
  Disclaimer: I work at 8x8 (not specifically on meetings, but related) 8x8 offers more than just meetings. You can see the feature list here: https://www.8x8.com/products/video-conferencing https://www.8x8.com/products/video-conferencing Yes we bought Jitsi from Atlassian. The Jitsi based meetings are integrated into our complete UC offering (yet we still deliver stand-alone meeting clients for customers who might want only meetings).

matsemann 6y ago

I don't get your argument about the pricing. If you're 5+ people you can split that cost. If it's for professional use, a few dollars is a blip.

laurent92 6y ago
We’re 2 in our startup. - Fastmail costs $50 per person per year, - Gapps would be $60, - Whereby asks for $90 per user. It’s just a feeling that this is wrong for what they contribute, but you’re right, if we share one account for a team, that would be a lower cost. Maybe I was “anchored” by their previous pricing $4, which I thought I’d subscribe as soon as I’d have income, even though I didn’t need the paid features. But at $9, it’s a second psychological step. It feels like they stuff with features, where all we ask is often the WebRTC part.
- smartbit 6y ago
  > Whereby asks for $90 per user. Whereby costs $90 per Organisation for Meetings up to 12 users. We have a url for each team without a password and it works for us. Yes, 1 person manages those meeting rooms. Add $10/month to extend to 50users. Whereby was the best I could find to share screen of Fedora, still limited as sharing only works under Firefox not their Chrome based app or any other variant of Chrome I could get my hands on. Zoom, jutsi and others couldn’t properly share screens nor application Windows.

zulln 6y ago

I used appear.in a few years ago between friends, it was really nice. Now however, having to pay $60 when you are 12+ people is a bit much when I can do it for free with Zoom. If it was for professional use $60 would not have mattered much, but that is not the case here. (Our university offers some kind of paid plan on Zoom for all students so it will be hard to beat regardless, but that is not true for everyone)