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Any company that has an operating entity in an EU country must comply or risk being fined by regulators. If the target is big enough, EU regulators will ask fo

Any company that has an operating entity in an EU country must comply or risk being fined by regulators. If the target is big enough, EU regulators will ask for help from other countries. Zoom operates offices in a few EU countries[0] so they'll definitely have some sort of entity(ies) setup - regulation pressure can be applied. [0] https://zoom.us/contact https://zoom.us/contact

dheera 6y ago
You're right, I checked and Zoom does have offices in Paris and Amsterdam. I suppose then they have the choice of doing Google's playbook in China and just close their EU offices if they wanted, instead of complying. I mean, China wanting censorship and EU wanting GDPR aren't any different. Without arguing for or against either, China's censorship and GDPR are both local laws and foreign-based companies with no local offices don't need to comply. Foreign companies may be blocked, that's all. Not that I'm advocating for Zoom violating privacy, but I'm not in support of EU unilaterally setting rules for the world or their right to police EU laws outside their borders. They should set up a GFW if they don't like certain things being sent into their country borders over the web, but they can't tell me what to do if I haven't set foot in their jurisdiction. (Neither can Iran, Russia, or North Korea, so why does EU get a pass to police you? If Kim Jong Un sent you a fine for $1 million would you pay it?)
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
  > but they can't tell me what to do if I'm not in their jurisdiction. True, but if you have offices and do business in their jurisdiction, then you get to follow their laws.
- _Microft 6y ago
  > they can't tell me what to do if I haven't set foot in their jurisdiction. By accepting customers from the EU you are setting a foot here albeit economically and not physically. You are free to not serve european costumers if you do not want to deal with the GDPR.
- ryneandal 6y ago
  I think you entirely misunderstand the purpose of the GDPR.
arsenico 6y ago
That is incorrect. GDPR applies to EU residents using the service, wherever that service is.
- irjustin 6y ago
  That is a jurisdictional grey area. It is technically true, but practically speaking, it's why I specifically said "EU regulators will ask for help from other countries". GDPR is only strictly enforceable in EU countries. All the other countries, it's up to whether they want to cooperate. Example - EU cannot force China to make Tiktok/Bytedance to follow GDPR practices in China for EU citizens. They really they can only wave a big finger and claim Bytedance is out of compliance. Sure, EU can sue Bytedance cross border in China, but it carries no weight/teeth. At which point, EU has to escalate... trade relations? sanctions? war?! So practically - they have to ask for help.

dheera 6y ago

You're right, I checked and Zoom does have offices in Paris and Amsterdam. I suppose then they have the choice of doing Google's playbook in China and just close their EU offices if they wanted, instead of complying. I mean, China wanting censorship and EU wanting GDPR aren't any different. Without arguing for or against either, China's censorship and GDPR are both local laws and foreign-based companies with no local offices don't need to comply. Foreign companies may be blocked, that's all. Not that I'm advocating for Zoom violating privacy, but I'm not in support of EU unilaterally setting rules for the world or their right to police EU laws outside their borders. They should set up a GFW if they don't like certain things being sent into their country borders over the web, but they can't tell me what to do if I haven't set foot in their jurisdiction. (Neither can Iran, Russia, or North Korea, so why does EU get a pass to police you? If Kim Jong Un sent you a fine for $1 million would you pay it?)

yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
> but they can't tell me what to do if I'm not in their jurisdiction. True, but if you have offices and do business in their jurisdiction, then you get to follow their laws.
_Microft 6y ago
> they can't tell me what to do if I haven't set foot in their jurisdiction. By accepting customers from the EU you are setting a foot here albeit economically and not physically. You are free to not serve european costumers if you do not want to deal with the GDPR.
ryneandal 6y ago
I think you entirely misunderstand the purpose of the GDPR.

arsenico 6y ago

That is incorrect. GDPR applies to EU residents using the service, wherever that service is.

irjustin 6y ago
That is a jurisdictional grey area. It is technically true, but practically speaking, it's why I specifically said "EU regulators will ask for help from other countries". GDPR is only strictly enforceable in EU countries. All the other countries, it's up to whether they want to cooperate. Example - EU cannot force China to make Tiktok/Bytedance to follow GDPR practices in China for EU citizens. They really they can only wave a big finger and claim Bytedance is out of compliance. Sure, EU can sue Bytedance cross border in China, but it carries no weight/teeth. At which point, EU has to escalate... trade relations? sanctions? war?! So practically - they have to ask for help.