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images or videos of families confined in a camp, children, women and old men / women from reliable source. When we talk about concentration camp, it is always

by fqye 6y ago

images or videos of families confined in a camp, children, women and old men / women from reliable source. When we talk about concentration camp, it is always about large number of families.

ghostwriter 6y ago
Who/what would be a "reliable source" for you? Also, a concentration camp is not defined in terms of families/women/children confined in it, there were many concentration camps in history that captured individual members of families, who were not ideologically aligned with a totalitarian regime of that time and place, the whole soviet Gulag system was built on secrecy and minimal exposure to public, when individual members of your family might not get back home from a grocery store one day and just dissappear into unknown destination.
- fqye 6y ago
  I don't agree with you. That kind of camps should be called prisons or something else. Now when people talk about concentration camps, they mostly refer to the camps of Nazi's or the US's for Japanese Americans during WWII. I mean that is the most insidious side of the concentration camp accusation against China. Reliable source means established entities like media or research institution that verify what they get. I would name New Yorker as an example, which manages to maintain very high standard of professionalism.
  - grugagag 6y ago
    Well, concentration camps are what they are, places where people are brought en mass and kept there forcefully. What exactly they look like and how they compare to the Nazi camps or the soviet gulag is not relevant, plus we are more than half a century later and in a different part of the world so comparing the details isn’t relevant at this point. Ive just seen some sad footage from China with an Uygur woman who was released after 2 years and her 3-4 years old daughter who she was separated from - was holding her arms around her telling her not to cry. The woman was saying they were rushed by guards and zapped with electricity in their heads to make them move faster. Tell me what kind of danger did that poor woman pose to China and why did she have to be taken away from her daughter? Are you heartless or what? I guess you are but I don’t wish that upon you or your family, just for you to try to put yourself in her shoes. You’re on the good side of the chinese history just because you weren’t born an uygur but that’s just chance. Please do try to show some compassion for your fellow human beings. Ive also saw some footage of non-Uygur, regular Chinese, albeit poor who were agressively being beaten by police. You Chinese are coward for letting them beat you like that. Maybe you’re well connected and untouchable is all I can think, otherwise you seem somewhat informed, you have access to the outside world and can see for yourself what is going in in your own country. Be human!
    - fqye 6y ago
      Ok now it gets personal and emotional. My last reply. I think you got lost in feeling angry for some footage that shows injustice but forgot we were debating evidence for concentration camps. Injustice happens everyday and everywhere. Chinese people feel the same and we have our channels and ways to address those issues, otherwise there wouldn't be a functional society, which is a fact no matter what you say about China. And you are wrong to think Chinese people just eat up what injustice that are imposed onto them. Chinese people protest always and rebel always in the past and now. You need to teach yourself more of China's history and Chinese people before rushing emotional comments.
      - grugagag 6y ago
        I guess you are heartless and as I said, well connected so that kind of injustice doesn't affect you. You are an oppressor and no matter what kind of evidence you'd find you'd still find some justification for what you do to the oppressed. You completely disregarded a poor woman's plight and called me emotional. If it leaves you cold-hearted make sure you're also not a psychopath as well. I don't have 100% certainty but I highly suspect you're paid by the CCP to mitigate any damage to their image. If that's true then it's also very pathetic.
  - ghostwriter 6y ago
    > I don't agree with you. That kind of camps should be called prisons or something else. It takes more than just disagreeing to prove your point, and no - those camps shouldn't be called prisons, because prisons existed as separate entities at that time and the abbreviation "gulag" contans a word "camp" in its definition. Next, where's your verifiable proof that New Yorker is a reliable source of information?

by fqye 6y ago

images or videos of families confined in a camp, children, women and old men / women from reliable source. When we talk about concentration camp, it is always about large number of families.

ghostwriter 6y ago

Who/what would be a "reliable source" for you? Also, a concentration camp is not defined in terms of families/women/children confined in it, there were many concentration camps in history that captured individual members of families, who were not ideologically aligned with a totalitarian regime of that time and place, the whole soviet Gulag system was built on secrecy and minimal exposure to public, when individual members of your family might not get back home from a grocery store one day and just dissappear into unknown destination.

fqye 6y ago
I don't agree with you. That kind of camps should be called prisons or something else. Now when people talk about concentration camps, they mostly refer to the camps of Nazi's or the US's for Japanese Americans during WWII. I mean that is the most insidious side of the concentration camp accusation against China. Reliable source means established entities like media or research institution that verify what they get. I would name New Yorker as an example, which manages to maintain very high standard of professionalism.
- grugagag 6y ago
  Well, concentration camps are what they are, places where people are brought en mass and kept there forcefully. What exactly they look like and how they compare to the Nazi camps or the soviet gulag is not relevant, plus we are more than half a century later and in a different part of the world so comparing the details isn’t relevant at this point. Ive just seen some sad footage from China with an Uygur woman who was released after 2 years and her 3-4 years old daughter who she was separated from - was holding her arms around her telling her not to cry. The woman was saying they were rushed by guards and zapped with electricity in their heads to make them move faster. Tell me what kind of danger did that poor woman pose to China and why did she have to be taken away from her daughter? Are you heartless or what? I guess you are but I don’t wish that upon you or your family, just for you to try to put yourself in her shoes. You’re on the good side of the chinese history just because you weren’t born an uygur but that’s just chance. Please do try to show some compassion for your fellow human beings. Ive also saw some footage of non-Uygur, regular Chinese, albeit poor who were agressively being beaten by police. You Chinese are coward for letting them beat you like that. Maybe you’re well connected and untouchable is all I can think, otherwise you seem somewhat informed, you have access to the outside world and can see for yourself what is going in in your own country. Be human!
  - fqye 6y ago
    Ok now it gets personal and emotional. My last reply. I think you got lost in feeling angry for some footage that shows injustice but forgot we were debating evidence for concentration camps. Injustice happens everyday and everywhere. Chinese people feel the same and we have our channels and ways to address those issues, otherwise there wouldn't be a functional society, which is a fact no matter what you say about China. And you are wrong to think Chinese people just eat up what injustice that are imposed onto them. Chinese people protest always and rebel always in the past and now. You need to teach yourself more of China's history and Chinese people before rushing emotional comments.
    - grugagag 6y ago
      I guess you are heartless and as I said, well connected so that kind of injustice doesn't affect you. You are an oppressor and no matter what kind of evidence you'd find you'd still find some justification for what you do to the oppressed. You completely disregarded a poor woman's plight and called me emotional. If it leaves you cold-hearted make sure you're also not a psychopath as well. I don't have 100% certainty but I highly suspect you're paid by the CCP to mitigate any damage to their image. If that's true then it's also very pathetic.
- ghostwriter 6y ago
  > I don't agree with you. That kind of camps should be called prisons or something else. It takes more than just disagreeing to prove your point, and no - those camps shouldn't be called prisons, because prisons existed as separate entities at that time and the abbreviation "gulag" contans a word "camp" in its definition. Next, where's your verifiable proof that New Yorker is a reliable source of information?