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Yeah this was so sad, but I'm happy the guys that made it got paid. Even they would have known this was the end for Keybase. Hopefully when their non-compete cl

Yeah this was so sad, but I'm happy the guys that made it got paid. Even they would have known this was the end for Keybase. Hopefully when their non-compete clauses end the developers will make another product the same.

bigiain 6y ago
< Hopefully when their non-compete clauses end the developers will make another product the same. ... and it will get saddled with the reputation for trustworthiness it deserves. Sell me out once, shame on me...
kelnos 6y ago
> Yeah this was so sad, but I'm happy the guys that made it got paid. I don't really sympathize with this. You build something, get a ton of people to use it, advocate for it, get their friends to use it... I think after that, you have a responsibility to those users, and selling to a company like Zoom and then peaceing out on further work does not fulfill that responsibility.
- bllguo 6y ago
  I couldn't disagree more. Most users didn't even pay, for goodness' sake.
  - orestarod 6y ago
    Was there a choice to pay??
    - bllguo 6y ago
      ok that's my bad - i thought they had an paid enterprise plan. So actually _nobody_ paid. That makes me believe even more strongly that the founders do not owe users anything.
      - kelnos 6y ago
        It's a shame you feel that way; personally I feel that avoiding responsibility for your actions toward others is one of the big ills in our society. Suggesting that there's only responsibility if money changes hands merely makes me sadder.
  - kelnos 6y ago
    If you decide to base your business model on unpaid users, that doesn't absolve you of responsibility for them. You're still getting something from them, whether it's user numbers that impress prospective investors, or usage data that you can sell to third parties, or whatever. If you're building a security- and privacy-focused product, selling it to a company that has demonstrated several times that they don't care about their users' security or privacy is unethical, regardless of how you slice it. It makes the world poorer, and the internet less safe for the people who use it. This has nothing to do with payment.
- iso947 6y ago
  The choice is entirely with the consumer to decide to use non free software. Don’t be shocked when you are hurt

bigiain 6y ago

< Hopefully when their non-compete clauses end the developers will make another product the same. ... and it will get saddled with the reputation for trustworthiness it deserves. Sell me out once, shame on me...

kelnos 6y ago

> Yeah this was so sad, but I'm happy the guys that made it got paid. I don't really sympathize with this. You build something, get a ton of people to use it, advocate for it, get their friends to use it... I think after that, you have a responsibility to those users, and selling to a company like Zoom and then peaceing out on further work does not fulfill that responsibility.

bllguo 6y ago
I couldn't disagree more. Most users didn't even pay, for goodness' sake.
- orestarod 6y ago
  Was there a choice to pay??
  - bllguo 6y ago
    ok that's my bad - i thought they had an paid enterprise plan. So actually _nobody_ paid. That makes me believe even more strongly that the founders do not owe users anything.
    - kelnos 6y ago
      It's a shame you feel that way; personally I feel that avoiding responsibility for your actions toward others is one of the big ills in our society. Suggesting that there's only responsibility if money changes hands merely makes me sadder.
- kelnos 6y ago
  If you decide to base your business model on unpaid users, that doesn't absolve you of responsibility for them. You're still getting something from them, whether it's user numbers that impress prospective investors, or usage data that you can sell to third parties, or whatever. If you're building a security- and privacy-focused product, selling it to a company that has demonstrated several times that they don't care about their users' security or privacy is unethical, regardless of how you slice it. It makes the world poorer, and the internet less safe for the people who use it. This has nothing to do with payment.
iso947 6y ago
The choice is entirely with the consumer to decide to use non free software. Don’t be shocked when you are hurt