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Worth mentioning that the uninstaller sets the cookie by adapting your cookies file after reading contents of the file entirely unrelated to Zoom.

bilbo0s 6y ago
I don't even know what to say to all that. There's a point at which you're sick and tired of being sick and tired. I'm there.
ppezaris 6y ago
Worth mentioning that the author speculates that this happens not for a nefarious reason, but in a binary tree search to locate your zoom cookie.
- banana_giraffe 6y ago
  Further, it's a SQLite database. It's not like it's hard to check this behavior, or instrument the database file to see exactly what it's doing. It was really odd they didn't bother. https://imgur.com/a/jBaW7RL https://imgur.com/a/jBaW7RL
  - nostoc 6y ago
    What tools would you use to instrument a sqlite file in order to monitor reads?
    - TeMPOraL 6y ago
      When Julia Evans wanted to learn what SQLite does, she just stuffed some printf calls into the code and rebuilt it :). https://jvns.ca/blog/2014/09/27/how-does-sqlite-work-part-1-pages/ https://jvns.ca/blog/2014/09/27/how-does-sqlite-work-part-1-... You could do similar at API entry points. Or, if you're after writes, it would be simpler to attach an "on insert/update" trigger that just records the changes in another table. See https://www.sqlite.org/undoredo.html https://www.sqlite.org/undoredo.html for an example of using triggers this way.
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sellyme 6y ago
> after reading contents of the file In the same way I'm reading your mail if I look at it to see whether it's my mail, and then put it back down when I see your name. That is to say, not at all.
- the_pwner224 6y ago
  A better analogy would be that when uninstalling Zoom it looks through all of your emails to find its email. It has no business being there in the first place.
  - infogulch 6y ago
    Cookies are just temporary passwords. It's like Zoom goes through your temp password database to change your saved password for zoom.
    - andrewnicolalde 6y ago
      Except you are UNinstalling the application? What cause is there to save anything that isn't already there at that point?
      - infogulch 6y ago
        I mean, if you had zoom installed on desktop you there's a high likelihood that you will use zoom again. By leaving that cookie, they are making the web experience better the next time you use it. Then again, planting a 10 year cookie that can only exist when edited outside the browser's sandbox is a helluva effective long term marker for a particular person. Maybe they just want to keep tabs on you. :)

bilbo0s 6y ago

I don't even know what to say to all that. There's a point at which you're sick and tired of being sick and tired. I'm there.

ppezaris 6y ago

Worth mentioning that the author speculates that this happens not for a nefarious reason, but in a binary tree search to locate your zoom cookie.

banana_giraffe 6y ago
Further, it's a SQLite database. It's not like it's hard to check this behavior, or instrument the database file to see exactly what it's doing. It was really odd they didn't bother. https://imgur.com/a/jBaW7RL https://imgur.com/a/jBaW7RL
- nostoc 6y ago
  What tools would you use to instrument a sqlite file in order to monitor reads?
  - TeMPOraL 6y ago
    When Julia Evans wanted to learn what SQLite does, she just stuffed some printf calls into the code and rebuilt it :). https://jvns.ca/blog/2014/09/27/how-does-sqlite-work-part-1-pages/ https://jvns.ca/blog/2014/09/27/how-does-sqlite-work-part-1-... You could do similar at API entry points. Or, if you're after writes, it would be simpler to attach an "on insert/update" trigger that just records the changes in another table. See https://www.sqlite.org/undoredo.html https://www.sqlite.org/undoredo.html for an example of using triggers this way.

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sellyme 6y ago

> after reading contents of the file In the same way I'm reading your mail if I look at it to see whether it's my mail, and then put it back down when I see your name. That is to say, not at all.

the_pwner224 6y ago
A better analogy would be that when uninstalling Zoom it looks through all of your emails to find its email. It has no business being there in the first place.
- infogulch 6y ago
  Cookies are just temporary passwords. It's like Zoom goes through your temp password database to change your saved password for zoom.
  - andrewnicolalde 6y ago
    Except you are UNinstalling the application? What cause is there to save anything that isn't already there at that point?
    - infogulch 6y ago
      I mean, if you had zoom installed on desktop you there's a high likelihood that you will use zoom again. By leaving that cookie, they are making the web experience better the next time you use it. Then again, planting a 10 year cookie that can only exist when edited outside the browser's sandbox is a helluva effective long term marker for a particular person. Maybe they just want to keep tabs on you. :)