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The Berlin Wall was also marketed by the old DDR government as keeping the bad guys out, when in reality it was to keep their own citizens from fleeing to the w

The Berlin Wall was also marketed by the old DDR government as keeping the bad guys out, when in reality it was to keep their own citizens from fleeing to the west. “Mr. Cook - tear down this wall!” :-)

wruza 6y ago
Unless you cannot just go buy any phone or tablet you like, this may be considered an insult to all these families who were split by that wall. How on earth do these analogies cross some minds.
- fakedang 6y ago
  Might seem a frivolous analogy, but they are essentially equivalent remarks (made by DDR and Apple) in the real world and the digital world.
- unreal37 6y ago
  Personally not a fan of people who are offended on behalf of "others".
  - wruza 6y ago
    Then you must be not a fan of android users or store abusers who "take care for freedom" of those who are comfortable with apple.
- noizejoy 6y ago
  This analogy crossed my mind, because my family was split by that wall. - And people on the locked in side of the wall had a legendary sense of humour[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_German_jokes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_German_jokes
- liability 6y ago
  I'd bet there are more Apple apologists than Germans who are offended by this analogy.
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Razengan 6y ago
No, Mr. Cook, please keep the wall up! You always have the choice to move to Android/Windows and never see Apple ever again. People enter the garden of their own volition, because it's a garden compared to all the crap out there. None of this whining is about protecting the people, but rather about grabbing a slice of the billion-user pie, which Apple has historically denied other companies ever since they refused to put AT&T bloatware on the first iPhone. Can you imagine what that would have been like? People fucking loved the iPhone -because- Apple kept every other company’s bullshit off it! And people who love curated platforms will continue to love it. 1 Downvote = 1 Trillion (funny how people advocating for freedom try to bury all dissent)
- liability 6y ago
  Classic "the walls are for your protection" gaslighting. Requiring a developer to remove a link to their website has nothing whatsoever to do with protecting users; it's a transparent attempt to pull wool over the eyes of users, to keep them in Apple's system so Apple can take a cut. Citing other supposed good acts from Apple doesn't refute this.
- fsflover 6y ago
  Did I miss anywhere on Apple.com explanation for the users that they are a walled garden? If it’s not there, then I bet most people are not aware while buying and simply buy due to the brand.
- ThrustVectoring 6y ago
  > You always have the choice to move to Android/Windows and never see Apple ever again. People enter the garden of their own volition iMessage has (or at least had) engineered non-interoperability with non-iPhone devices and has a significantly degraded user experience for everyone if anyone has a non-iPhone device in a group chat. There were multiple people who "freely" made the choice to switch to an Android device, only to have their friends drop them from group chats and remake it without them.
monadic2 6y ago
> The Berlin Wall was also marketed by the old DDR government as keeping the bad guys out, when in reality it was to keep their own citizens from fleeing to the west. It worked out pretty well in both directions actually.

wruza 6y ago

Unless you cannot just go buy any phone or tablet you like, this may be considered an insult to all these families who were split by that wall. How on earth do these analogies cross some minds.

fakedang 6y ago
Might seem a frivolous analogy, but they are essentially equivalent remarks (made by DDR and Apple) in the real world and the digital world.
unreal37 6y ago
Personally not a fan of people who are offended on behalf of "others".
- wruza 6y ago
  Then you must be not a fan of android users or store abusers who "take care for freedom" of those who are comfortable with apple.
noizejoy 6y ago
This analogy crossed my mind, because my family was split by that wall. - And people on the locked in side of the wall had a legendary sense of humour[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_German_jokes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_German_jokes
liability 6y ago
I'd bet there are more Apple apologists than Germans who are offended by this analogy.

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Razengan 6y ago

No, Mr. Cook, please keep the wall up! You always have the choice to move to Android/Windows and never see Apple ever again. People enter the garden of their own volition, because it's a garden compared to all the crap out there. None of this whining is about protecting the people, but rather about grabbing a slice of the billion-user pie, which Apple has historically denied other companies ever since they refused to put AT&T bloatware on the first iPhone. Can you imagine what that would have been like? People fucking loved the iPhone -because- Apple kept every other company’s bullshit off it! And people who love curated platforms will continue to love it. 1 Downvote = 1 Trillion (funny how people advocating for freedom try to bury all dissent)

liability 6y ago
Classic "the walls are for your protection" gaslighting. Requiring a developer to remove a link to their website has nothing whatsoever to do with protecting users; it's a transparent attempt to pull wool over the eyes of users, to keep them in Apple's system so Apple can take a cut. Citing other supposed good acts from Apple doesn't refute this.
fsflover 6y ago
Did I miss anywhere on Apple.com explanation for the users that they are a walled garden? If it’s not there, then I bet most people are not aware while buying and simply buy due to the brand.
ThrustVectoring 6y ago
> You always have the choice to move to Android/Windows and never see Apple ever again. People enter the garden of their own volition iMessage has (or at least had) engineered non-interoperability with non-iPhone devices and has a significantly degraded user experience for everyone if anyone has a non-iPhone device in a group chat. There were multiple people who "freely" made the choice to switch to an Android device, only to have their friends drop them from group chats and remake it without them.

monadic2 6y ago

> The Berlin Wall was also marketed by the old DDR government as keeping the bad guys out, when in reality it was to keep their own citizens from fleeing to the west. It worked out pretty well in both directions actually.