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Honestly, it seems like you are playing a game. Did you perform a search of tools that can test ui? There are lots of them. I find it hard to believe that yo

by IncRnd 6y ago

Honestly, it seems like you are playing a game. Did you perform a search of tools that can test ui? There are lots of them. I find it hard to believe that you think there aren't any. That's like saying that compilers don't compile C code anymore, because you only compile C++. I see our testers doing this all the time - but I don't know what libraries they use. I know the testers at our shop do it with an house built framework as well as with commercial ones. On our company's security team, various people have scripted UI exploits using selenium or appium. I just asked one of the people familiar with those two tools I mentioned, and she said it would take her a few minutes. These are commodity tools. There is nothing special with any of them.

dmitriid 6y ago
> Honestly, it seems like you are playing a game. Did you perform a search of tools that can test ui? There are lots of them. It would'be been so easy to just answer the question I asked. Instead, it's now a thread of non-answers and thinly veiled ad-hominem attacks. The rest of your long answer is once again working hard on avoiding the answer. > I find it hard to believe that you think there aren't any. I didn't say there weren't any. I asked, "which ones let you test the problem in OP". > I see our testers doing this all the time - but I don't know what libraries they use Ah, my assumption that you don't know what you're talking about is proven correct. > On our company's security team, various people have scripted UI exploits using selenium or appium Question: scrollbars. "Answers": tools click on buttons, scripting security exploits, I don't know what libraries testers are using. Ignorance is bliss, isn't it? > and she said it would take her a few minutes. Given your answers in this thread, I seriously doubt your ability to ask a proper question to "the people familiar with the tools". Especially given the fact that you don't know what libraries testers use and that you, apparently, don't do any testing yourself. See, frontend testing is very far from being "a solved problem". Especially for quirks as described in OP. But you wouldn't know because you, well, don't know. > These are commodity tools. There is nothing special with any of them. Indeed they are. Indeed there is nothing special. And this still doesn't answer the question.
- IncRnd 6y ago
  Except that I did answer as to specific toolkits - with two answers for two separate kits. You used a lot of words to make it seem otherwise. As you yourself wrote, "Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?"
  - dmitriid 6y ago
    > Except that I did answer as to specific toolkits - with two answers for two separate kits You din't, really. On the third attempt you said "I see our testers doing this all the time - but I don't know what libraries they use" and "various people have scripted UI exploits using selenium or appium. I just asked one of the people familiar with those two tools" This shows that you started this entire argument with very bad faith. You berated me for not knowing something while you yourself: - don't do frontend testing using frontend testing tools - you don't know what tools your testers use - you assume some capability of some tools only because "you talked to people familiar with them" which further shows that you yourself are not familiar with them. On the other hand, unlike you, I know what I'm talking about. Granted, I haven't used these tools extensively, but I did use them, and I'm well aware of their limitations. All you have is, well, empty words.
    - ricardobeat 6y ago
      What you are looking for is called visual testing or visual regression testing, and would immediately flag such a difference between platforms. It's widely available and there are even services dedicated entirely to it. https://saucelabs.com/platform/visual-testing https://saucelabs.com/platform/visual-testing https://chromatic.com https://chromatic.com https://diffy.website https://diffy.website And a ton more: https://lmgtfy.com/?q=visual+diff+testing https://lmgtfy.com/?q=visual+diff+testing
    - IncRnd 6y ago
      You're still at it??? > You din't, really. On the third attempt you said "I see our testers doing this all the time - but I don't know what libraries they use" and "various people have scripted UI exploits using selenium or appium. I just asked one of the people familiar with those two tools" Because I see this sort of test being done almost daily... I work in security and not specifically in testing. I mentioned what frameworks are used in a security context. You are beating a dead horse, focusing on what doesn't matter. I suggest you get off hacker news, go educate yourself, and stop pontificating. When I said that I "just asked" I meant that I just now asked, not that just asking was all I have ever done. You're being foolish, projecting in every comment that you know more than everyone else. PS. Please quote properly. I wrote that the security team uses selenium and appium not whatever it is that you are pretending I wrote.

by IncRnd 6y ago

dmitriid 6y ago

> Honestly, it seems like you are playing a game. Did you perform a search of tools that can test ui? There are lots of them. It would'be been so easy to just answer the question I asked. Instead, it's now a thread of non-answers and thinly veiled ad-hominem attacks. The rest of your long answer is once again working hard on avoiding the answer. > I find it hard to believe that you think there aren't any. I didn't say there weren't any. I asked, "which ones let you test the problem in OP". > I see our testers doing this all the time - but I don't know what libraries they use Ah, my assumption that you don't know what you're talking about is proven correct. > On our company's security team, various people have scripted UI exploits using selenium or appium Question: scrollbars. "Answers": tools click on buttons, scripting security exploits, I don't know what libraries testers are using. Ignorance is bliss, isn't it? > and she said it would take her a few minutes. Given your answers in this thread, I seriously doubt your ability to ask a proper question to "the people familiar with the tools". Especially given the fact that you don't know what libraries testers use and that you, apparently, don't do any testing yourself. See, frontend testing is very far from being "a solved problem". Especially for quirks as described in OP. But you wouldn't know because you, well, don't know. > These are commodity tools. There is nothing special with any of them. Indeed they are. Indeed there is nothing special. And this still doesn't answer the question.

IncRnd 6y ago
Except that I did answer as to specific toolkits - with two answers for two separate kits. You used a lot of words to make it seem otherwise. As you yourself wrote, "Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?"
- dmitriid 6y ago
  > Except that I did answer as to specific toolkits - with two answers for two separate kits You din't, really. On the third attempt you said "I see our testers doing this all the time - but I don't know what libraries they use" and "various people have scripted UI exploits using selenium or appium. I just asked one of the people familiar with those two tools" This shows that you started this entire argument with very bad faith. You berated me for not knowing something while you yourself: - don't do frontend testing using frontend testing tools - you don't know what tools your testers use - you assume some capability of some tools only because "you talked to people familiar with them" which further shows that you yourself are not familiar with them. On the other hand, unlike you, I know what I'm talking about. Granted, I haven't used these tools extensively, but I did use them, and I'm well aware of their limitations. All you have is, well, empty words.
  - ricardobeat 6y ago
    What you are looking for is called visual testing or visual regression testing, and would immediately flag such a difference between platforms. It's widely available and there are even services dedicated entirely to it. https://saucelabs.com/platform/visual-testing https://saucelabs.com/platform/visual-testing https://chromatic.com https://chromatic.com https://diffy.website https://diffy.website And a ton more: https://lmgtfy.com/?q=visual+diff+testing https://lmgtfy.com/?q=visual+diff+testing
  - IncRnd 6y ago
    You're still at it??? > You din't, really. On the third attempt you said "I see our testers doing this all the time - but I don't know what libraries they use" and "various people have scripted UI exploits using selenium or appium. I just asked one of the people familiar with those two tools" Because I see this sort of test being done almost daily... I work in security and not specifically in testing. I mentioned what frameworks are used in a security context. You are beating a dead horse, focusing on what doesn't matter. I suggest you get off hacker news, go educate yourself, and stop pontificating. When I said that I "just asked" I meant that I just now asked, not that just asking was all I have ever done. You're being foolish, projecting in every comment that you know more than everyone else. PS. Please quote properly. I wrote that the security team uses selenium and appium not whatever it is that you are pretending I wrote.