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I have the 2 right here and it's better than the first. There's still a perceptible lag (that is, it isn't imperceptible) but it's better than anything else out
by devindotcom 6y ago
I have the 2 right here and it's better than the first. There's still a perceptible lag (that is, it isn't imperceptible) but it's better than anything else out there including other eink devices (I also have a Boox here that I compared it to, and the Sony DPT before it).
- braythwayt 6y agoJust to confirm, when you say, "better than anything else out there," that includes the latest generation of iPad Pro with Apple Pencil 2, correct?
- smusamashah 6y agoIs iPad Pro an e-ink device?
- braythwayt 6y agoThe iPad Pro is not an e-Ink device, however since the OP was speaking of it being better than anything else out there _including other eink devices_, I wanted to confirm that "anything else" refers to devices like the current generation of iPad Pro.
- eddiecalzone 6y agoOf course not. That wouldn't be an apple-to-apple comparison.
- ghshephard 6y agoIn what way? I find the lag on the iPad to be annoying enough that I've never bothered with it. I've never found any of the E-Ink devices to come close enough to paper to make me consider giving up paper notebooks - Though it's been about 3 years since I last checked them out.
- braythwayt 6y agoHave you tried the current generation of iPad Pro? They claim a 9ms lag, and coupled with their technology for up-rezzing refresh rate and touch sensitivity when using the Pencil, it's quite a substantial improvement in experience. That being said, the iPad Pro is clearly a high-end general-purpose device, with a price to match. The device that fits our pocketbook is always superior to the device that is amazing, but remains in a box in the manufacturer's shop because we can't justify the price.
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- devindotcom 6y agoIt's better than any e-ink device for sure and it's competitive with the iPad Pro. I think the latter now has somewhere around 15-20ms of lag? So it's close. But honestly they're different devices. Similar in many ways of course but different too. I don't think it's really apples to apples.
- LegitShady 6y agoIpadOS cut pencil latency to 9ms.
- why_only_15 6y agoThat number was calculated by taking a high-speed camera and watching how long it took the line to catch up with the pencil. They cheat on the metric by juicing up the prediction. You can see this by flicking the pencil and then picking it up -- the line will go farther than you intended. And if you change directions, the line will take more than 9ms to catch up with you.
- LegitShady 6y agoDo you normally draw or write by flicking the pencil? Prediction that increases the speed usefully is not cheating
- braythwayt 6y agoApple are cheating the 9ms lag measurement the way speculative execution and aggressive cache population are cheating performance benchmarks. In general, this point makes me think of computational photography. If you have extra computing power, you can do things that are synthetic, but nevertheless real enough to deliver satisfaction, in real time.
- nomel 6y agoIn terms of latency, I have trouble believing it's better than the newer iPad Pros (120Hz screen, 240Hz pencil scan).
- pier25 6y agoI have an iPad Pro and the deal breaker is using the pencil over glass. I wouldn't mind a little latency if they get the paper feel right.
- dchuk 6y agoa < $10 matte screen protector completely changes the experience on an iPad, it is a necessity if you have the Pencil
- pier25 6y agoI tried 2 different ones but didn't like that either.
- millerm 6y agoCouldn't the paper feel be solved by a simple screen overlay on an iPad? Something thin enough to give the texture? Almost like an anti-glare screen protector. I'll admit, the pencil on glass just doesn't feel right. I'd rather some perceptible drag/friction. It also helps me reduce errors as my drawing and writing styles are abysmal so I need something to keep some traction.
- LegitShady 6y agoI have an iPad pro 11" (the last gen) and it's in par with professional drawing tablets from Wacom in terms of feel on glass, and that's solveable with a $15 screen protector. It also has access to procreate or Adobe fresco if you're still up to getting abused by Adobe as opposed to whatever remarkable can come up with. It seems odd to be coming down on the iPad pro for drawing/writing - it's a lot of money but the experience is on par with much more expensive Wacom devices.
- GeorgeTirebiter 6y agoI have Sony's Digital Paper. It is beyond awesome. I notice no lag while writing, and yes it does feel like writing on paper. Is there some way maybe you can measure the difference in what you are observing, lag-wise? Lag has never been an issue I even perceive with Digital Paper. It 'just works'.
- devindotcom 6y agoI had the DPT too and the remarkable 1 was noticeably better, and the 2 is noticeably better than the 1. I put some gifs in this article but it's really easier to feel than see. https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/05/sony-and-remarkables-dueling-e-paper-tablets-are-strange-but-impressive-beasts/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/05/sony-and-remarkables-dueli...
- TheRealPomax 6y agogenerally the approach is to point a camera at it and record yourself under real world conditions writing and drawing. For instance, if a fast stroke starts to show up by the time you're already done drawing it, that's problematic latency, even if you personally don't notice.
- TheRealPomax 6y agowould you be willing to actually point a camera at your device and show what the latency and precision is while writing and drawing? So far I haven't found a single device that doesn't start showing a fast stroke on the screen before I'm already done drawing it.