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> …on an eyestrain-inducing glossy screens. Are you sure about that? [1] [1] https://bubblin.io/blog/daylight-energy-fatigue https://bubblin.io/blog/daylight-

> …on an eyestrain-inducing glossy screens. Are you sure about that? [1] [1] https://bubblin.io/blog/daylight-energy-fatigue https://bubblin.io/blog/daylight-energy-fatigue

ASalazarMX 6y ago
Paper scatters light, smooth glass will reflect perfectly any window, light or glare. We usually don't notice it because we have trained ourselves to tilt our devices to minimize reflections. Glossy glass is 21st century sexy, though. It looks premium compared to clear plastic.
- Twirrim 6y ago
  > Glossy glass is 21st century sexy, though. It looks premium compared to clear plastic. I really hate the glossy screen thing. I have this strange idea where I want to see what is actually on the screen, instead of a detailed reflection of stuff behind me. Crazy, right?
  - sixothree 6y ago
    You are very much not alone here. Especially on portable devices. People are very much attracted (I would say addicted) to bright shiny colors. Device manufacturers know this and thus glossy screens are the norm.
  - caleb-allen 6y ago
    As I read this on a Macbook Pro I'm staring also at the ceiling light behind me. Oh how I wish I could leave my light on and still use my multi-thousand dollar machine without strain!
  - Polylactic_acid 6y ago
    Most monitors and laptops have matte screens. Its just apple stuff thats glossy. Apparently it gives better color which helps for video/image editing but for programming the matte screens are clearly better.
    - mkl 6y ago
      Every screen I own is glossy, and I don't own any Apple stuff. External screens, laptops, all-in-ones, all glossy. The last matte screen I had was on a 2010 ThinkPad, and I think I had to pay extra for that. Maybe it's touch related? Every screen I own is also a touch screen (so's that old ThinkPad though), and with my physical needs I can't really consider non-touch.
      - Polylactic_acid 6y ago
        Yeah its almost certainly touchscreen related. My LG 4k monitor and 2018 dell xps are matte.
      - Twirrim 6y ago
        > Maybe it's touch related? I got a Thinkpad T490 this year, which has a matte touch screen (I really wish it wasn't a touchscreen, my only gripe with it. I never want to interact with the laptop via touch. Never.)
        mkl 6y ago
        It's probably pretty easy to turn the touch off, by uninstalling the driver or something. My ThinkPad developed a tendency to sometimes do that automatically, and I had to restart a certain .exe to bring it back.
crystaln 6y ago
Is this written by a lobbyist? Blue light causes cataracts if nothing else. It also affects sleep cycles which can cause fatigue and all sorts of strain on the eye and body. But “ Does this blue-light pose any hazard to our eyes? Nope, not to my knowledge” Animations are not perfectly smooth causing strain on scrolling (I can see the unevenness even on my 11 pro with every scroll). Colors are constructed - ever look at a phone on acid? This also can cause subconscious strain. The article also fails to recognize that most eink displayed are in fact illuminated. The bottom line is reading on eink is relaxing in ways a tablet is not.
- cargoshipit 6y ago
  Cool story bro
- marvindanig 6y ago
  > The bottom line is reading on eink is relaxing in ways a tablet is not. A lobbyist accusing the other of lobbying. Quaint? Your idea that blue light causes cataract is a misunderstanding at best or misinformation at worst. Visible spectrum in of itself doesn't ever cause or catalyze corneal cloudiness. You should probably read about Dr. Mani Bhaumik's work on optical physics and lasers, and how it led him to invent the Lasik Eye correction technique. > It also affects sleep cycles which can cause fatigue and all sorts of strain on the eye and body. You are directly quoting my article here, you know that right? From your aggressive comments elsewhere on the forum, it appears that you are predisposed to behave like this. I wish you well.
paultopia 6y ago
Insert shrug here. I definitely get headaches after staring at iPad screens all day, and definitely have to squint to see them outside. Don't really care if that subjective suffering doesn't reflect some medically recognizable consequence, I still choose to avoid it.
dang 6y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24296217 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24296217.

> …on an eyestrain-inducing glossy screens. Are you sure about that? [1] [1] https://bubblin.io/blog/daylight-energy-fatigue https://bubblin.io/blog/daylight-energy-fatigue

ASalazarMX 6y ago

Paper scatters light, smooth glass will reflect perfectly any window, light or glare. We usually don't notice it because we have trained ourselves to tilt our devices to minimize reflections. Glossy glass is 21st century sexy, though. It looks premium compared to clear plastic.

Twirrim 6y ago
> Glossy glass is 21st century sexy, though. It looks premium compared to clear plastic. I really hate the glossy screen thing. I have this strange idea where I want to see what is actually on the screen, instead of a detailed reflection of stuff behind me. Crazy, right?
- sixothree 6y ago
  You are very much not alone here. Especially on portable devices. People are very much attracted (I would say addicted) to bright shiny colors. Device manufacturers know this and thus glossy screens are the norm.
- caleb-allen 6y ago
  As I read this on a Macbook Pro I'm staring also at the ceiling light behind me. Oh how I wish I could leave my light on and still use my multi-thousand dollar machine without strain!
- Polylactic_acid 6y ago
  Most monitors and laptops have matte screens. Its just apple stuff thats glossy. Apparently it gives better color which helps for video/image editing but for programming the matte screens are clearly better.
  - mkl 6y ago
    Every screen I own is glossy, and I don't own any Apple stuff. External screens, laptops, all-in-ones, all glossy. The last matte screen I had was on a 2010 ThinkPad, and I think I had to pay extra for that. Maybe it's touch related? Every screen I own is also a touch screen (so's that old ThinkPad though), and with my physical needs I can't really consider non-touch.
    - Polylactic_acid 6y ago
      Yeah its almost certainly touchscreen related. My LG 4k monitor and 2018 dell xps are matte.
    - Twirrim 6y ago
      > Maybe it's touch related? I got a Thinkpad T490 this year, which has a matte touch screen (I really wish it wasn't a touchscreen, my only gripe with it. I never want to interact with the laptop via touch. Never.)
      - mkl 6y ago
        It's probably pretty easy to turn the touch off, by uninstalling the driver or something. My ThinkPad developed a tendency to sometimes do that automatically, and I had to restart a certain .exe to bring it back.

crystaln 6y ago

Is this written by a lobbyist? Blue light causes cataracts if nothing else. It also affects sleep cycles which can cause fatigue and all sorts of strain on the eye and body. But “ Does this blue-light pose any hazard to our eyes? Nope, not to my knowledge” Animations are not perfectly smooth causing strain on scrolling (I can see the unevenness even on my 11 pro with every scroll). Colors are constructed - ever look at a phone on acid? This also can cause subconscious strain. The article also fails to recognize that most eink displayed are in fact illuminated. The bottom line is reading on eink is relaxing in ways a tablet is not.

cargoshipit 6y ago
Cool story bro
marvindanig 6y ago
> The bottom line is reading on eink is relaxing in ways a tablet is not. A lobbyist accusing the other of lobbying. Quaint? Your idea that blue light causes cataract is a misunderstanding at best or misinformation at worst. Visible spectrum in of itself doesn't ever cause or catalyze corneal cloudiness. You should probably read about Dr. Mani Bhaumik's work on optical physics and lasers, and how it led him to invent the Lasik Eye correction technique. > It also affects sleep cycles which can cause fatigue and all sorts of strain on the eye and body. You are directly quoting my article here, you know that right? From your aggressive comments elsewhere on the forum, it appears that you are predisposed to behave like this. I wish you well.

paultopia 6y ago

Insert shrug here. I definitely get headaches after staring at iPad screens all day, and definitely have to squint to see them outside. Don't really care if that subjective suffering doesn't reflect some medically recognizable consequence, I still choose to avoid it.

dang 6y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24296217 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24296217.