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I'd consider $100, but not a $100 per year subscription? Come on!

by natcombs 6y ago

hatsunearu 6y ago
Yeah lol, they trippin I can do this shit for free with Concept or whatever and that one also works super well.
- adamwiggins 6y ago
  Concepts (https://concepts.app/ https://concepts.app/) is great! But it's a drawing app, not really related.
  - hatsunearu 6y ago
    You can use it for lightweight technical drawings too. That's what I use it for.
  - jordache 6y ago
    i mean it's just a freeform canvas right? to collate clippings and ideas. Yes I see you have a grouping mechanism, but that's not the make / break feature. Concept can function as a virtual canvas just fine...
adamwiggins 6y ago
Out of curiosity, what's your take on the price of Dropbox ($120/year), Evernote ($96/year), or Roam ($165/year)?
- evo_9 6y ago
  My hunch is most of the HN crowd are like me and were around before Dropbox got big. Aka, being on it early you tended to invite all your family and friends, and in doing so got a storage bump. I'm at roughly 10gigs from those early days and I have never paid for a dropbox subscription and I highly doubt I ever will. Great looking product though, maybe consider a special HN subscription code that makes that 100 lifetime. I do think that is a pretty tough selling price from a new product/just launching standup.
- lostgame 6y ago
  I have never paid for DropBox in my life, I don't pay for OneNote's cloud syncing, and I use them both every day. I'm surprised the people involved in the company didn't see the price tag as a potential super turn off to customers. I'm the target demographic for this product, saw the price; gave a chuckle, and I'm a little curious as to how it made front page at that cost. Never heard of Roam, but Dropbox and Evernote are old, established; brands and if I was to pay around the same amount of money anyway, I'd obviously go for Dropbox, something that's been around a while. Google Drive also offers a lot of space for free, and Docs sync is great. A lower price is an excellent way to break in to a new market, and I'm not sure why the developers of this app didn't go for that. I like to support new developers, so this is a shame.
  - adamwiggins 6y ago
    Hope we'll become an established/trusted brand over time! I actually see the price as being the other way around from what you're describing: perhaps compare to the Tesla Roadster. Start with a premium product to fund your fledgling business, people who really believe in the mission (and have the cash for it) can support it. Then over time, you get economies of scale and can lower the price to reach a wider audience. We're incredibly thankful to our early customers for helping us fund this business without needing to rely on big VC funding. They're backing us because they believe in better software.
    - lostgame 6y ago
      The lack of a free tier certainly makes it difficult to consider making the jump; which, again; most of the applications in this similar space do as well. It's food for thought. I have difficulties with comparing a luxury vehicle to a piece of software. :3 I wish you luck; I certainly have difficulties understanding this model but I guess that's why I'm not in business. It just looks like great software and I wish I could recommend it to friends.
      - adamwiggins 6y ago
        Maybe you didn't see my initial comment for the Show HN: there is a free tier.
- turtlebits 6y ago
  Dropbox is a service. Even if you don't use the app, they are providing value to you. Evernote app is free, but the value comes from storage and sync (access). Apps don't provide value unless you use them.
  - dchuk 6y ago
    Most things don't provide value unless you use them. Netflix isn't valuable unless you use it, do you abhor their subscription pricing? If you consistently use the app, and they consistently improve it, don't you think it's fair to consistently pay for it?
- tobyhinloopen 6y ago
  Dropbox: cloud storage is really important part of a backup
andreilys 6y ago
yea pretty wild. Especially when you consider the fact this startup will likely be defunct 5 years from now (whether because they got acquired and parent company killed the product, or they couldn't run a profitable company due to such high subscription fees)
- adamwiggins 6y ago
  We're not a startup.
  - TheRealNGenius 6y ago
    then what are you?
    - TheRealNGenius 6y ago
      an app? well, that's fine I guess.

I'd consider $100, but not a $100 per year subscription? Come on!

hatsunearu 6y ago

Yeah lol, they trippin I can do this shit for free with Concept or whatever and that one also works super well.

adamwiggins 6y ago
Concepts (https://concepts.app/ https://concepts.app/) is great! But it's a drawing app, not really related.
- hatsunearu 6y ago
  You can use it for lightweight technical drawings too. That's what I use it for.
- jordache 6y ago
  i mean it's just a freeform canvas right? to collate clippings and ideas. Yes I see you have a grouping mechanism, but that's not the make / break feature. Concept can function as a virtual canvas just fine...

adamwiggins 6y ago

Out of curiosity, what's your take on the price of Dropbox ($120/year), Evernote ($96/year), or Roam ($165/year)?

evo_9 6y ago
My hunch is most of the HN crowd are like me and were around before Dropbox got big. Aka, being on it early you tended to invite all your family and friends, and in doing so got a storage bump. I'm at roughly 10gigs from those early days and I have never paid for a dropbox subscription and I highly doubt I ever will. Great looking product though, maybe consider a special HN subscription code that makes that 100 lifetime. I do think that is a pretty tough selling price from a new product/just launching standup.
lostgame 6y ago
I have never paid for DropBox in my life, I don't pay for OneNote's cloud syncing, and I use them both every day. I'm surprised the people involved in the company didn't see the price tag as a potential super turn off to customers. I'm the target demographic for this product, saw the price; gave a chuckle, and I'm a little curious as to how it made front page at that cost. Never heard of Roam, but Dropbox and Evernote are old, established; brands and if I was to pay around the same amount of money anyway, I'd obviously go for Dropbox, something that's been around a while. Google Drive also offers a lot of space for free, and Docs sync is great. A lower price is an excellent way to break in to a new market, and I'm not sure why the developers of this app didn't go for that. I like to support new developers, so this is a shame.
- adamwiggins 6y ago
  Hope we'll become an established/trusted brand over time! I actually see the price as being the other way around from what you're describing: perhaps compare to the Tesla Roadster. Start with a premium product to fund your fledgling business, people who really believe in the mission (and have the cash for it) can support it. Then over time, you get economies of scale and can lower the price to reach a wider audience. We're incredibly thankful to our early customers for helping us fund this business without needing to rely on big VC funding. They're backing us because they believe in better software.
  - lostgame 6y ago
    The lack of a free tier certainly makes it difficult to consider making the jump; which, again; most of the applications in this similar space do as well. It's food for thought. I have difficulties with comparing a luxury vehicle to a piece of software. :3 I wish you luck; I certainly have difficulties understanding this model but I guess that's why I'm not in business. It just looks like great software and I wish I could recommend it to friends.
    - adamwiggins 6y ago
      Maybe you didn't see my initial comment for the Show HN: there is a free tier.
turtlebits 6y ago
Dropbox is a service. Even if you don't use the app, they are providing value to you. Evernote app is free, but the value comes from storage and sync (access). Apps don't provide value unless you use them.
- dchuk 6y ago
  Most things don't provide value unless you use them. Netflix isn't valuable unless you use it, do you abhor their subscription pricing? If you consistently use the app, and they consistently improve it, don't you think it's fair to consistently pay for it?
tobyhinloopen 6y ago
Dropbox: cloud storage is really important part of a backup

andreilys 6y ago

yea pretty wild. Especially when you consider the fact this startup will likely be defunct 5 years from now (whether because they got acquired and parent company killed the product, or they couldn't run a profitable company due to such high subscription fees)

adamwiggins 6y ago
We're not a startup.
- TheRealNGenius 6y ago
  then what are you?
  - TheRealNGenius 6y ago
    an app? well, that's fine I guess.