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Sisyphus didn't get results, that was the point of his fate. I get results. OK, nitpick over, I have trouble disagreeing with you. Let's try to answer that. >

Sisyphus didn't get results, that was the point of his fate. I get results. OK, nitpick over, I have trouble disagreeing with you. Let's try to answer that. > what do you trade it for? Perhaps if companies had to deal with a load of complaints, losing cash at each one, they might start to care? I can tell you that companies hate being embarrassed in public so complain loudly. But otherwise, on another hn thread a while ago some guy said he'd bought, or would buy, a dumb monitor and link that up. There's 2 solutions (if the latter works). Don't complain they don't solve everything instantly, they won't. > Will your complaining and nagging on review sites going to make this a reality? You'll never know if you don't try. > This is what makes GP feel powerless. I know the feeling! But I keep fighting back and I get results. Read that as you will. Many of you US guys died to separate yourselves from the rule of us brits. Now for domestic goods you can't be bothered to rage. Doesn't seem right... Like your post though!

rglullis 6y ago
> I get results. For a very low bar of "results", sure. But unless you are getting electronics with special features or without artificial restrictions imposed by the companies, I wouldn't count I managed to return a shitty TV that got shittier for another baseline shitty TV as "getting results". > Perhaps if companies had to deal with a load of complaints, losing cash at each one, they might start to care? They won't "lose cash". If consumers on aggregate started demanding more quality and better support from their companies, it would translate into increased costs and consequently increased prices. Business as a whole can sustain the occasional annoying customer like you, but only when you are the exception and not the rule. > But otherwise, on another hn thread a while ago some guy said he'd bought, or would buy, a dumb monitor and link that up. Find the price of a 40"+ monitor that can do 4k and compare with the price of TVs, see how even high-end TVs cost less than the monitors. As an exercise to the reader, correlate that with the point above. > You'll never know if you don't try. I won't know because I don't want to know. I simply refuse to buy the shitty crippled electronics in the first place. > Many of you US guys I'm not American, but I lived there long enough to understand that most people live by the "Give me convenience or give me death" mentality. I also lived there long enough to realize that money is the only thing they understand. Put these two together, and it gets really hard to expect the average consumer to work to get anything better when they have something convenient for cheap.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
  >> I get results. > For a very low bar of "results", sure. I'm curious, what are these results I'm getting that you judge as low-bar? I mean, specifically what?
  - rglullis 6y ago
    Like I said. "I returned a TV that was broken after a bad upgrade" does not count as an amazing feat if that is followed by "and then I got another TV that still updates itself at the mercy of the manufacturer"
    - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
      You seem determined that any victory should be no victory, however you're wrong anyway as I never said I'd returned a TV. What I did say was a response to this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24292859 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24292859
      - rglullis 6y ago
        And you seem determined to establish that you deserve some credit for playing the game according to the rules of the puppet masters. What OP and I are saying is that the game is rigged and that we should either (a) fight to change it altogether or (b) not play it at all. The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat.

rglullis 6y ago

> I get results. For a very low bar of "results", sure. But unless you are getting electronics with special features or without artificial restrictions imposed by the companies, I wouldn't count I managed to return a shitty TV that got shittier for another baseline shitty TV as "getting results". > Perhaps if companies had to deal with a load of complaints, losing cash at each one, they might start to care? They won't "lose cash". If consumers on aggregate started demanding more quality and better support from their companies, it would translate into increased costs and consequently increased prices. Business as a whole can sustain the occasional annoying customer like you, but only when you are the exception and not the rule. > But otherwise, on another hn thread a while ago some guy said he'd bought, or would buy, a dumb monitor and link that up. Find the price of a 40"+ monitor that can do 4k and compare with the price of TVs, see how even high-end TVs cost less than the monitors. As an exercise to the reader, correlate that with the point above. > You'll never know if you don't try. I won't know because I don't want to know. I simply refuse to buy the shitty crippled electronics in the first place. > Many of you US guys I'm not American, but I lived there long enough to understand that most people live by the "Give me convenience or give me death" mentality. I also lived there long enough to realize that money is the only thing they understand. Put these two together, and it gets really hard to expect the average consumer to work to get anything better when they have something convenient for cheap.

throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
>> I get results. > For a very low bar of "results", sure. I'm curious, what are these results I'm getting that you judge as low-bar? I mean, specifically what?
- rglullis 6y ago
  Like I said. "I returned a TV that was broken after a bad upgrade" does not count as an amazing feat if that is followed by "and then I got another TV that still updates itself at the mercy of the manufacturer"
  - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
    You seem determined that any victory should be no victory, however you're wrong anyway as I never said I'd returned a TV. What I did say was a response to this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24292859 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24292859
    - rglullis 6y ago
      And you seem determined to establish that you deserve some credit for playing the game according to the rules of the puppet masters. What OP and I are saying is that the game is rigged and that we should either (a) fight to change it altogether or (b) not play it at all. The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat.