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Journalist's thread that explains a bit more of how they did this: https://twitter.com/alisonkilling/status/1298933918620672000 https://twitter.com/alisonkilli

by mzs 6y ago

Journalist's thread that explains a bit more of how they did this: https://twitter.com/alisonkilling/status/1298933918620672000 https://twitter.com/alisonkilling/status/1298933918620672000 edit: was used in creating this two part story: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/meghara/china-new-internment-camps-xinjiang-uighurs-muslims https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/meghara/china-new-inter...

jandrese 6y ago
China's social media army is out in force on that Twitter thread. Deflect, Deny, Discredit.
- knolax 6y ago
  Everyone that disagrees with you is a shill. What an enlightened mind you have. EDIT: reply to comment below. What's DRP? The existence of real shills doesn't give you free reign to cover your ears and yell shill any time you hear an opposing opinion (I've never seen the people who cry shill do so when it's someone that agrees with them). I could easily call you a shill but that doesn't get us anywhere. Focus on the merit of the argument.
  - datameta 6y ago
    Do you deny that the DRP gov't is directly or indirectly paying many thousands of people to wage a vast information war on social media?
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - sangnoir 6y ago
      That is correct, but the current HN guidelines state that if you suspect voting-rings or other manipulation, contact the mods out-of-band and they'll attend to it. Commenting about it and accusing people of shilling solely based on their opposition to your point of view degrades the conversation every single time. The mods have more data points to correlate and can remediate if necessary.
    - ardy42 6y ago
      > Do you deny that the DRP gov't is directly or indirectly paying many thousands of people to wage a vast information war on social media? First of all, I'm assuming by "DRP" you mean the PRC. Is DRP a non-English acronym? The PRC definitely employs online shills, but my understanding is that they're mostly active on the Chinese language internet. I think the people we encounter on the English internet who seem like shills actually have more in common with GamerGate than the actual government-employed 50 cent party. They even go on hamfisted GamerGate-like harassment campaigns against people they don't like.
- aluminum96 6y ago
  It is truly remarkable how many replies in that thread consist of bad analogies, denials of clear third party reporting, and whatabout-ism.
  - systemvoltage 6y ago
    Same thing happens here btw on HN. Since I just said something against HN, I guarantee this comment will get downvoted into oblivion.
    - grogenaut 6y ago
      generally downvoting happens when you talk about voting in the meta, which is against the rules and spirit.
      - angry_octet 6y ago
        I can't talk about why I might have downvoted your comment.
        angry_octet 6y ago
        The karma cycle of life. Humourless slashdot 4 eva.
      - systemvoltage 6y ago
        I am very well aware of it and as I was writing it I was concious about the HN FAQ and rules of engagement. I am deliberately making an exception. Apparently, it didn't get downvoted but I've seen similar comments getting downvoted everytime I saw it without this disclaimer.
    - frequentnapper 6y ago
      yeah i commented about documenting the prc supporters enabling this to happen and I got downvoted and flagged!
- ngcc_hk 6y ago
  That is why USA or the west world is losing if we believed social media has a key role in shaping opinion. You cannot go it and they can come out. And even chinese coming out with their wechat would be closed. I am not hopeful. Whilst I believe the ccp might go, it is that asymmetric thing which is a problem.

by mzs 6y ago

jandrese 6y ago

China's social media army is out in force on that Twitter thread. Deflect, Deny, Discredit.

knolax 6y ago
Everyone that disagrees with you is a shill. What an enlightened mind you have. EDIT: reply to comment below. What's DRP? The existence of real shills doesn't give you free reign to cover your ears and yell shill any time you hear an opposing opinion (I've never seen the people who cry shill do so when it's someone that agrees with them). I could easily call you a shill but that doesn't get us anywhere. Focus on the merit of the argument.
- datameta 6y ago
  Do you deny that the DRP gov't is directly or indirectly paying many thousands of people to wage a vast information war on social media?
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - sangnoir 6y ago
    That is correct, but the current HN guidelines state that if you suspect voting-rings or other manipulation, contact the mods out-of-band and they'll attend to it. Commenting about it and accusing people of shilling solely based on their opposition to your point of view degrades the conversation every single time. The mods have more data points to correlate and can remediate if necessary.
  - ardy42 6y ago
    > Do you deny that the DRP gov't is directly or indirectly paying many thousands of people to wage a vast information war on social media? First of all, I'm assuming by "DRP" you mean the PRC. Is DRP a non-English acronym? The PRC definitely employs online shills, but my understanding is that they're mostly active on the Chinese language internet. I think the people we encounter on the English internet who seem like shills actually have more in common with GamerGate than the actual government-employed 50 cent party. They even go on hamfisted GamerGate-like harassment campaigns against people they don't like.
aluminum96 6y ago
It is truly remarkable how many replies in that thread consist of bad analogies, denials of clear third party reporting, and whatabout-ism.
- systemvoltage 6y ago
  Same thing happens here btw on HN. Since I just said something against HN, I guarantee this comment will get downvoted into oblivion.
  - grogenaut 6y ago
    generally downvoting happens when you talk about voting in the meta, which is against the rules and spirit.
    - angry_octet 6y ago
      I can't talk about why I might have downvoted your comment.
      - angry_octet 6y ago
        The karma cycle of life. Humourless slashdot 4 eva.
    - systemvoltage 6y ago
      I am very well aware of it and as I was writing it I was concious about the HN FAQ and rules of engagement. I am deliberately making an exception. Apparently, it didn't get downvoted but I've seen similar comments getting downvoted everytime I saw it without this disclaimer.
  - frequentnapper 6y ago
    yeah i commented about documenting the prc supporters enabling this to happen and I got downvoted and flagged!
ngcc_hk 6y ago
That is why USA or the west world is losing if we believed social media has a key role in shaping opinion. You cannot go it and they can come out. And even chinese coming out with their wechat would be closed. I am not hopeful. Whilst I believe the ccp might go, it is that asymmetric thing which is a problem.