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Important point: "Hard work" doesn't mean it has to be feel hard for you to do it. If you have fun setting up a K8s cluster, that's still hard work.

by k__ 6y ago

hpoe 6y ago
One thing I've found interesting is that the first time I do something related to tech as long as it isn't mind boggling frustrating cough Oracle cough I enjoy learning it. The second and third times it's tolerable, but if I have to keep doing something repeatedly the only way I can enjoy it any longer is by listening to an audiobook while doing it or by automating it. As soon as I set myself to automating I realize that I like it again because now I am interacting with it in a new way.
- majkinetor 6y ago
  Oracle isn't even fun when automating.
  - nitrogen 6y ago
    But seeing a modern ecommerce platform fully integrated with Oracle payments, invoices, inventory, and shipping is pretty satisfying when it's done.
    - majkinetor 6y ago
      Satisfying for Oracle overlords for sure. Always remember, Oracle doesn't have customers, only hostages!
hcarvalhoalves 6y ago
Not sure setting up a k8s cluster qualifies as "hard work" the way the author describes it. It seems by "hard work" he means work requiring novelty, creativity or insight, not simply intellectual work.
- Alex3917 6y ago
  Or emotional labor. But yeah, setting up k8s would not qualify. I thought there was an older version of the same general riff in Fast Company, which I can't find right now, but here is a blog post about a version that appeared in Free Prize Inside: https://educationinnovation.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/06/education-difficult-work-vs-hard-work.html https://educationinnovation.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/06/ed...
  - wolco 6y ago
    It could be for someone who doesn't know what k8s is.
alfonsodev 6y ago
yes I think that's key, I imagine a typical 2 axis analysis for this, where one axis is hard/long and the other is passionate or not passionate about it. But I think there are more dimensions to it, as the article points out sometimes we shy away from hard work, because it's uncertain and your identity is on stake, you can fail, and I agree it takes that leap. I'd say it is a leap of faith, because sometimes you don't know if it is hard work that is relevant, and worth, or not, I've never been an academic, but I guess many PhD feel that way ?
agumonkey 6y ago
I keep bouncing about the idea of work. Producing the same exact thing can be thought as insufferable hell or unstoppable desired moment depending on the context. I also think it's crucial for society and humans. Unless most of us are wired to seek sadomasochism.

Important point: "Hard work" doesn't mean it has to be feel hard for you to do it. If you have fun setting up a K8s cluster, that's still hard work.

by k__ 6y ago

Important point: "Hard work" doesn't mean it has to be feel hard for you to do it. If you have fun setting up a K8s cluster, that's still hard work.

hpoe 6y ago

One thing I've found interesting is that the first time I do something related to tech as long as it isn't mind boggling frustrating cough Oracle cough I enjoy learning it. The second and third times it's tolerable, but if I have to keep doing something repeatedly the only way I can enjoy it any longer is by listening to an audiobook while doing it or by automating it. As soon as I set myself to automating I realize that I like it again because now I am interacting with it in a new way.

majkinetor 6y ago
Oracle isn't even fun when automating.
- nitrogen 6y ago
  But seeing a modern ecommerce platform fully integrated with Oracle payments, invoices, inventory, and shipping is pretty satisfying when it's done.
  - majkinetor 6y ago
    Satisfying for Oracle overlords for sure. Always remember, Oracle doesn't have customers, only hostages!

hcarvalhoalves 6y ago

Not sure setting up a k8s cluster qualifies as "hard work" the way the author describes it. It seems by "hard work" he means work requiring novelty, creativity or insight, not simply intellectual work.

Alex3917 6y ago
Or emotional labor. But yeah, setting up k8s would not qualify. I thought there was an older version of the same general riff in Fast Company, which I can't find right now, but here is a blog post about a version that appeared in Free Prize Inside: https://educationinnovation.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/06/education-difficult-work-vs-hard-work.html https://educationinnovation.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/06/ed...
- wolco 6y ago
  It could be for someone who doesn't know what k8s is.

alfonsodev 6y ago

yes I think that's key, I imagine a typical 2 axis analysis for this, where one axis is hard/long and the other is passionate or not passionate about it. But I think there are more dimensions to it, as the article points out sometimes we shy away from hard work, because it's uncertain and your identity is on stake, you can fail, and I agree it takes that leap. I'd say it is a leap of faith, because sometimes you don't know if it is hard work that is relevant, and worth, or not, I've never been an academic, but I guess many PhD feel that way ?

agumonkey 6y ago

I keep bouncing about the idea of work. Producing the same exact thing can be thought as insufferable hell or unstoppable desired moment depending on the context. I also think it's crucial for society and humans. Unless most of us are wired to seek sadomasochism.