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Once the battery is changed they are not slow any more. So not a valid point really.

oblio 6y ago
I literally linked an article that says they've had to settle for half a billion (!) because Apple did this without informing the users they were doing it. And Apple had an obvious financial incentive to not mention it to users. People found out almost by accident that their phones were still working well, except for a part that is replaceable (and much cheaper than a new phone). In what world is this not a valid example of planned obsolescence?
- EricE 6y ago
  So you'd rather the phone die and be unusable rather than slow and useable? Apple's only mistake was not proving the opportunity for people to choose from the start.
  - celsoazevedo 6y ago
    Mistake? They made the decision to slow down devices without telling users and profited from that decision. My iPhone 5 became slower after 1-2 years. If the battery was bad, I never noticed it (no shutdowns or anything like that). It coincided with a new iPhone and iOS version... I tried every trick, from formatting the phone to reducing animations. Then I found a thread on Apple forums about this and someone was suggesting getting a new phone! I did buy a new phone (OnePlus One) and it's still working after ~5 years. The battery doesn't last as long, but it doesn't die when I receive a call or play a game. Because of this, that iPhone 5 was my first and last iPhone.
    - thirdsun 6y ago
      > My iPhone 5 became slower after 1-2 years. If the battery was bad, I never noticed it (no shutdowns or anything like that). So...it worked as expected? Slightly slowing the phone down is exactly what prevented your phone from potentially and unexpectedly shutting down.
      - celsoazevedo 6y ago
        It slowed down the phone a lot, not "slightly". I wasn't asked if I wanted the slow down, there was no way of disabling it, Apple didn't acknowledge it, and I had no reason to believe the battery was in a bad state. Last year I upgraded from a mid-range phone which was almost 4 years old. It didn't have any "slow down" feature and it never shutdown, so as you can imagine, I'm not willing to give Apple a pass here.
  - oblio 6y ago
    They settled a lawsuit in order to not lose it... how is that a "mistake"? They paid $500 million to settle it.

I literally linked an article that says they've had to settle for half a billion (!) because Apple did this without informing the users they were doing it. And Apple had an obvious financial incentive to not mention it to users. People found out almost by accident that their phones were still working well, except for a part that is replaceable (and much cheaper than a new phone). In what world is this not a valid example of planned obsolescence?

EricE 6y ago
So you'd rather the phone die and be unusable rather than slow and useable? Apple's only mistake was not proving the opportunity for people to choose from the start.
- celsoazevedo 6y ago
  Mistake? They made the decision to slow down devices without telling users and profited from that decision. My iPhone 5 became slower after 1-2 years. If the battery was bad, I never noticed it (no shutdowns or anything like that). It coincided with a new iPhone and iOS version... I tried every trick, from formatting the phone to reducing animations. Then I found a thread on Apple forums about this and someone was suggesting getting a new phone! I did buy a new phone (OnePlus One) and it's still working after ~5 years. The battery doesn't last as long, but it doesn't die when I receive a call or play a game. Because of this, that iPhone 5 was my first and last iPhone.
  - thirdsun 6y ago
    > My iPhone 5 became slower after 1-2 years. If the battery was bad, I never noticed it (no shutdowns or anything like that). So...it worked as expected? Slightly slowing the phone down is exactly what prevented your phone from potentially and unexpectedly shutting down.
    - celsoazevedo 6y ago
      It slowed down the phone a lot, not "slightly". I wasn't asked if I wanted the slow down, there was no way of disabling it, Apple didn't acknowledge it, and I had no reason to believe the battery was in a bad state. Last year I upgraded from a mid-range phone which was almost 4 years old. It didn't have any "slow down" feature and it never shutdown, so as you can imagine, I'm not willing to give Apple a pass here.
- oblio 6y ago
  They settled a lawsuit in order to not lose it... how is that a "mistake"? They paid $500 million to settle it.