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Especially with the usual screen ratios nowadays, their huge width goes unused 99% of the time anyway. So there's an only 1% incentive from usability side to re

by soco 6y ago

Especially with the usual screen ratios nowadays, their huge width goes unused 99% of the time anyway. So there's an only 1% incentive from usability side to remove the right vertical scrollbar... As a matter of fact, I actually use in my Firefox vertical tabs stacked left, to spare me some vertical space on the laptop screen.

The_rationalist 6y ago
It's not just about 1% of screenspace, it's about visual pollution that is distracting, it increase cognitive noise and cognitive noise is cancer
- bobbyT314 6y ago
  Giving the user clear feedback about where they are in a page and how to modify their location should not "increase cognitive noise". It should in fact offload cognitive load from the user onto the interface leaving more room, so to speak, for the user to use for themselves.
reaperducer 6y ago
Especially with the usual screen ratios nowadays My computer is an 11-inch MacBook Air. That means that even if I run Safari full-screen, which is inconvenient, I have only 680 vertical pixels for content. It's amazing how many web sites I run into that throw up fixed-position pop-ups that are bigger than that, and I can't close them or scroll to see their content because the designers or middle managers decided that every person on the planet is rocking a 27-inch 5K display. Usually I just close the window and never visit the site again. If it's important, I break out the dev tools and start invoking display:none until I hit the right element.
SCNP 6y ago
If I might ask, what are you using for vertical tabs? I haven't found a good add-on that shows the tabs on the side and also hides the tabs on the top.
- avhon1 6y ago
  Firefox Quantum made it so that extensions can't hide the tabs on top. It can only be done manually, by making and editing a userChrome.css file. https://superuser.com/questions/1268732/how-to-hide-tab-bar-tabstrip-in-firefox-57-quantum https://superuser.com/questions/1268732/how-to-hide-tab-bar-...
  - SCNP 6y ago
    Awesome! Thanks!

by soco 6y ago

The_rationalist 6y ago

It's not just about 1% of screenspace, it's about visual pollution that is distracting, it increase cognitive noise and cognitive noise is cancer

bobbyT314 6y ago
Giving the user clear feedback about where they are in a page and how to modify their location should not "increase cognitive noise". It should in fact offload cognitive load from the user onto the interface leaving more room, so to speak, for the user to use for themselves.

reaperducer 6y ago

Especially with the usual screen ratios nowadays My computer is an 11-inch MacBook Air. That means that even if I run Safari full-screen, which is inconvenient, I have only 680 vertical pixels for content. It's amazing how many web sites I run into that throw up fixed-position pop-ups that are bigger than that, and I can't close them or scroll to see their content because the designers or middle managers decided that every person on the planet is rocking a 27-inch 5K display. Usually I just close the window and never visit the site again. If it's important, I break out the dev tools and start invoking display:none until I hit the right element.

SCNP 6y ago

If I might ask, what are you using for vertical tabs? I haven't found a good add-on that shows the tabs on the side and also hides the tabs on the top.

avhon1 6y ago
Firefox Quantum made it so that extensions can't hide the tabs on top. It can only be done manually, by making and editing a userChrome.css file. https://superuser.com/questions/1268732/how-to-hide-tab-bar-tabstrip-in-firefox-57-quantum https://superuser.com/questions/1268732/how-to-hide-tab-bar-...
- SCNP 6y ago
  Awesome! Thanks!