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Why should the rural people in podunk nowhere subsidize our food? Ultimately it is in the best interest of cities to keep on good terms with their breadbasket.

by ls612 6y ago

AlotOfReading 6y ago
The economics of farming barely work out at market value. How are they subsidizing others and how can they afford to given those margins?
reportingsjr 6y ago
Again, people are trying to frame this as an "all people in exurbs and rural areas are farmers" and this straight up is not true in the slightest. The issue here is that massive numbers of people move to the far out of the way places which requires an inordinate amount of resources to support, and there is this expectation that everyone else should pay up to let them live that lifestyle. Here's a example of these sort of areas on the midwest: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9232568,-84.4006112,11979m/data=!3m1!1e3 https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9232568,-84.4006112,11979m/d... Almost none of the land in that area is farmland, yet I've had coworkers who got USDA loans for houses in the middle of this area while working white collar jobs. For the last couple of few years a local developer keeps lobbying to have a multibillion dollar highway built through this area so they can develop more suburbs. http://www.cincyeasternbypass.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Updated-Bypass-Map.1.29.19.pdf http://www.cincyeasternbypass.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02... Why does everyone else have to keep paying for this garbage? When you bring up things like toll roads all of these people scream their heads off, because they know it means they wont be getting their subsidies (ironic considering how many people in these areas are highly conservative, anti-subsidy). This isn't about subsidizing farmers, this is about subsidizing people's choice to live an unsustainable life style.

Why should the rural people in podunk nowhere subsidize our food? Ultimately it is in the best interest of cities to keep on good terms with their breadbasket.

by ls612 6y ago

Why should the rural people in podunk nowhere subsidize our food? Ultimately it is in the best interest of cities to keep on good terms with their breadbasket.

AlotOfReading 6y ago

The economics of farming barely work out at market value. How are they subsidizing others and how can they afford to given those margins?

reportingsjr 6y ago

Again, people are trying to frame this as an "all people in exurbs and rural areas are farmers" and this straight up is not true in the slightest. The issue here is that massive numbers of people move to the far out of the way places which requires an inordinate amount of resources to support, and there is this expectation that everyone else should pay up to let them live that lifestyle. Here's a example of these sort of areas on the midwest: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9232568,-84.4006112,11979m/data=!3m1!1e3 https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9232568,-84.4006112,11979m/d... Almost none of the land in that area is farmland, yet I've had coworkers who got USDA loans for houses in the middle of this area while working white collar jobs. For the last couple of few years a local developer keeps lobbying to have a multibillion dollar highway built through this area so they can develop more suburbs. http://www.cincyeasternbypass.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Updated-Bypass-Map.1.29.19.pdf http://www.cincyeasternbypass.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02... Why does everyone else have to keep paying for this garbage? When you bring up things like toll roads all of these people scream their heads off, because they know it means they wont be getting their subsidies (ironic considering how many people in these areas are highly conservative, anti-subsidy). This isn't about subsidizing farmers, this is about subsidizing people's choice to live an unsustainable life style.