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I disagree. 1) Marketing alone is not why you have an iPad Pro. All other tablets kinda suck compared to it. It's at least 5 years ahead of anything else in ha

I disagree. 1) Marketing alone is not why you have an iPad Pro. All other tablets kinda suck compared to it. It's at least 5 years ahead of anything else in hardware and the software is probably further than that. 2) Facebook also not your friend. Corporations can't be friends. 3) Why would anyone _want_ to be tracked if they can avoid it? 4) From a business' POV, sure tracking is useful, but as a consumer, I don't care. I would rather not be tracked - in this instance I think it's nearly even possible to say Apple are being my friend, working for my interests. Also IDFA was introduced as a more private device ID, I doubt they expected it to be exploited this way and are now fixing it. 5) The reason FB cares about this tracking isn't for tracking installs of other apps, it's about their ability (or not) to build up a comprehensive identity of who you, what you do, where you go and what you like, from all the apps and websites you've ever visited.

Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
5 continued. Facebook is slurping every bit they can get by trick and treat. They bring business to other app developers and businesses who in turn hand over customer data and , while not insignificant, a small amount of money for advertising, or nothing for just the free services. A lot of people never leave Facebook, or Insta. It's a part of their identity. A huge part of peoples lives are on Facebook and Facebook will not relinquish a bit or back down from their methods without existential threats to their business.
justapassenger 6y ago
> 3) Why would anyone _want_ to be tracked if they can avoid it? People get value in return. Free to use product and ads about stuff they’re interested in. For some it’s not enough of value proposition, but for others consider it fair value exchange.
- jonplackett 6y ago
  I still wouldn't categorise that as wanting to be tracked, just begrudgingly accepting it. I'd also say that's a better argument for google, where them knowing some stuff about me probably does give better search results - but facebook just want to give me better adverts, which is of marginal (approaching zero) benefit to me.
- anonymousab 6y ago
  Nothing wrong with making the value proposition/tradeoff an upfront and obvious decision. Might even encourage competition from tools that have a different proposition.
- SllX 6y ago
  There’s two options in that dialog box: 1. Allow Tracking 2. Ask App Not to Track. People that see it that way can choose option 1 when presented with the choice.
- kergonath 6y ago
  If the users are making a choice, then opting in would not be a problem. It’s informed consent, so they are aware of what they are giving away for the service, right? Nothing like companies helping themselves without the users even knowing the monetary value of what they are giving away. In other words: if your demand is legitimate, you have no reason to whine about opt in.

Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago

5 continued. Facebook is slurping every bit they can get by trick and treat. They bring business to other app developers and businesses who in turn hand over customer data and , while not insignificant, a small amount of money for advertising, or nothing for just the free services. A lot of people never leave Facebook, or Insta. It's a part of their identity. A huge part of peoples lives are on Facebook and Facebook will not relinquish a bit or back down from their methods without existential threats to their business.

justapassenger 6y ago

> 3) Why would anyone _want_ to be tracked if they can avoid it? People get value in return. Free to use product and ads about stuff they’re interested in. For some it’s not enough of value proposition, but for others consider it fair value exchange.

jonplackett 6y ago
I still wouldn't categorise that as wanting to be tracked, just begrudgingly accepting it. I'd also say that's a better argument for google, where them knowing some stuff about me probably does give better search results - but facebook just want to give me better adverts, which is of marginal (approaching zero) benefit to me.
anonymousab 6y ago
Nothing wrong with making the value proposition/tradeoff an upfront and obvious decision. Might even encourage competition from tools that have a different proposition.
SllX 6y ago
There’s two options in that dialog box: 1. Allow Tracking 2. Ask App Not to Track. People that see it that way can choose option 1 when presented with the choice.
kergonath 6y ago
If the users are making a choice, then opting in would not be a problem. It’s informed consent, so they are aware of what they are giving away for the service, right? Nothing like companies helping themselves without the users even knowing the monetary value of what they are giving away. In other words: if your demand is legitimate, you have no reason to whine about opt in.