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Patreon did crack down on some extreme content, stating they were forced to do so by their payment provider(s).

by breakingcups 6y ago

dzhiurgis 6y ago
Weird they wouldn't switch providers for specific use cases. Does Stripe require to be exclusive provider for site?
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  The other providers have similar rules.
- lovegoblin 6y ago
  There are very few payment processors that will accept adult content, and those that do exist (e.g., CCBill) are both expensive - on the order of 10x the fees - and also a damn nightmare to work with. I can very easily imagine a scenario where Patreon looked at their options and decided it wasn't worth it.
throwaways885 6y ago
Are you referring to the censorship which is in the process of tanking the site? https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/americas/1596377657-court-rules-against-patreon-fan-funding-service-in-key-case-over-cancelled-comedian https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/americas/159637...
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  No, Patreon made much more broad changes a few years back (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/kz3x5z/heres-how-patreon-politely-makes-it-impossible-for-adult-content-creators https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/kz3x5z/heres-how-patreon-...) affecting all sorts of adult content. Benjamin got banned for saying stuff like: > Really what [Hitler] was trying to do was clean Germany, clean it of the parasites, of the fleas. He did not hate Jews. He hated filth and he was trying to clean up. and is similarly banned from Facebook, YouTube, PayPal and Twitter. They just don't have company-pays forced arbitration provisions that can be turned back on the company like Patreon does. DoorDash had the same DDoS issue with their arbitration clause, no free speech issues required. https://www.vox.com/2020/2/12/21133486/doordash-workers-10-million-forced-arbitration-class-action-supreme-court-backfired https://www.vox.com/2020/2/12/21133486/doordash-workers-10-m...
  - throwaways885 6y ago
    If you can't tell that quote is about trying to understand Hitler's mindset, I don't know what to tell you. It's important we don't forget these things.
    - jefftk 6y ago
      Looking for more context I found https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/owen-benjamins-rhetoric-is-growing-more-extreme/ https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/owen-benjamins-rhetoric-... > Benjamin has told his audience on YouTube that it is “infinitely more probable” that the Nazis over-worked Jews to death during the Holocaust than it was that they subjected them to execution in gas chambers. He went on to say that he was “a big fan” of Nazi Party leader Adolf Hitler’s art. >“Really what he was trying to do was clean Germany, clean it of the parasites, of the fleas. He did not hate Jews. He hated filth and he was trying to clean up,” Benjamin said. >In another stream, he advocated conspiracy theories alleging massive Jewish influence in pornography, Hollywood and media, also alleging that Jews are secretly responsible for education programs that help children understand LGBTQ identities. >“Nobody wants any of it and it’s all Jews!” Benjamin yelled into the camera. “It’s war Jews [and] sodomy Jews and they’re having a family feud at our expense.” This is not sounding to me like someone who is trying to carefully describe Hitler's mindset, but instead someone with a similar mindset?
      - throwaways885 6y ago
        Sorry guys, I made a serious mistake and linked the wrong Benjamin (I was wanting to link to Sargon's lawsuits that threatened to sink the company). Even so, I'm a free speech absolutist and even though people say terrible things I disagree with, I would defend that right unironically.

Patreon did crack down on some extreme content, stating they were forced to do so by their payment provider(s).

dzhiurgis 6y ago

Weird they wouldn't switch providers for specific use cases. Does Stripe require to be exclusive provider for site?

ceejayoz 6y ago
The other providers have similar rules.
lovegoblin 6y ago
There are very few payment processors that will accept adult content, and those that do exist (e.g., CCBill) are both expensive - on the order of 10x the fees - and also a damn nightmare to work with. I can very easily imagine a scenario where Patreon looked at their options and decided it wasn't worth it.

throwaways885 6y ago

Are you referring to the censorship which is in the process of tanking the site? https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/americas/1596377657-court-rules-against-patreon-fan-funding-service-in-key-case-over-cancelled-comedian https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/americas/159637...

ceejayoz 6y ago
No, Patreon made much more broad changes a few years back (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/kz3x5z/heres-how-patreon-politely-makes-it-impossible-for-adult-content-creators https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/kz3x5z/heres-how-patreon-...) affecting all sorts of adult content. Benjamin got banned for saying stuff like: > Really what [Hitler] was trying to do was clean Germany, clean it of the parasites, of the fleas. He did not hate Jews. He hated filth and he was trying to clean up. and is similarly banned from Facebook, YouTube, PayPal and Twitter. They just don't have company-pays forced arbitration provisions that can be turned back on the company like Patreon does. DoorDash had the same DDoS issue with their arbitration clause, no free speech issues required. https://www.vox.com/2020/2/12/21133486/doordash-workers-10-million-forced-arbitration-class-action-supreme-court-backfired https://www.vox.com/2020/2/12/21133486/doordash-workers-10-m...
- throwaways885 6y ago
  If you can't tell that quote is about trying to understand Hitler's mindset, I don't know what to tell you. It's important we don't forget these things.
  - jefftk 6y ago
    Looking for more context I found https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/owen-benjamins-rhetoric-is-growing-more-extreme/ https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/owen-benjamins-rhetoric-... > Benjamin has told his audience on YouTube that it is “infinitely more probable” that the Nazis over-worked Jews to death during the Holocaust than it was that they subjected them to execution in gas chambers. He went on to say that he was “a big fan” of Nazi Party leader Adolf Hitler’s art. >“Really what he was trying to do was clean Germany, clean it of the parasites, of the fleas. He did not hate Jews. He hated filth and he was trying to clean up,” Benjamin said. >In another stream, he advocated conspiracy theories alleging massive Jewish influence in pornography, Hollywood and media, also alleging that Jews are secretly responsible for education programs that help children understand LGBTQ identities. >“Nobody wants any of it and it’s all Jews!” Benjamin yelled into the camera. “It’s war Jews [and] sodomy Jews and they’re having a family feud at our expense.” This is not sounding to me like someone who is trying to carefully describe Hitler's mindset, but instead someone with a similar mindset?
    - throwaways885 6y ago
      Sorry guys, I made a serious mistake and linked the wrong Benjamin (I was wanting to link to Sargon's lawsuits that threatened to sink the company). Even so, I'm a free speech absolutist and even though people say terrible things I disagree with, I would defend that right unironically.