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So do they still run but are limited like when ios gives the false location data? or can facebook apps just refuse to operate until they are given the required

So do they still run but are limited like when ios gives the false location data? or can facebook apps just refuse to operate until they are given the required permissions? E.g. the way android apps just demand permisions for everything making the security benefit of permissions largely pointless.

SllX 6y ago
Programmatically? Certainly. As a matter of App Store policy? Facebook shouldn’t count on it, even if that were allowed by the rules as written today (which I don’t think it is, but Apple has pretty much covered all of their bases as far as arbitrarily changing policy on the fly goes).
dwild 6y ago
> the way android apps just demand permisions for everything making the security benefit of permissions largely pointless. That hasn't been the case for a pretty long time. Now the permissions are quite granular and you can accept and refuse specific one at any time. It's actually quite tiresome to go through 4-5 permissions popup on some apps, but it makes sense so it's okay. The apps is informed of that decision, so yeah it can decide to not works without it. I suggest you to not use an app that require stuff that you don't want to allow.
- Causality1 6y ago
  Though it's bizarre to me what permissions require a pop-up and which don't. You think all you've granted is, say, looking at files, then you check the actual granular list and there's a dozen different ones including internet access.
  - nitrogen 6y ago
    Making full network access a mandatory always-on permission was a huge security mistake IMO. Every app can port scan your network, and probably some do as part of fingerprinting (some websites do at least, and I assume apps are more brazen).
    - efreak 6y ago
      It's not mandatory, it's just incredibly common. There's also an untoggleable permission to allow viewing network access by other apps.
- wtmt 6y ago
  >> the way android apps just demand permisions for everything making the security benefit of permissions largely pointless. > That hasn't been the case for a pretty long time. Now the permissions are quite granular and you can accept and refuse specific one at any time. This is technically a correct answer, but I've seen the bad habit of asking for many permissions (and sometimes refusing to work without) being more common on Android. An example is a bank's app that will refuse to launch (or I mean, provide any meaningful information/experience) unless location permission is given (this is when giving the permission means an "always allow") and unless it's connected to a cellular data network (not WiFi). On iOS, the app is better behaved and will work with some useful functionality when certain permissions are denied.
  - nitrogen 6y ago
    This could be due to an overly aggressive anti-fraud library/service like ThreatMetrix (I don't know if they do these things, they're just the only example I know).
  - stjohnswarts 6y ago
    If they refuse to run without permissions that make sense to me then they get tossed. You don't need my location for me to play a solo platformer.

SllX 6y ago

Programmatically? Certainly. As a matter of App Store policy? Facebook shouldn’t count on it, even if that were allowed by the rules as written today (which I don’t think it is, but Apple has pretty much covered all of their bases as far as arbitrarily changing policy on the fly goes).

dwild 6y ago

> the way android apps just demand permisions for everything making the security benefit of permissions largely pointless. That hasn't been the case for a pretty long time. Now the permissions are quite granular and you can accept and refuse specific one at any time. It's actually quite tiresome to go through 4-5 permissions popup on some apps, but it makes sense so it's okay. The apps is informed of that decision, so yeah it can decide to not works without it. I suggest you to not use an app that require stuff that you don't want to allow.

Causality1 6y ago
Though it's bizarre to me what permissions require a pop-up and which don't. You think all you've granted is, say, looking at files, then you check the actual granular list and there's a dozen different ones including internet access.
- nitrogen 6y ago
  Making full network access a mandatory always-on permission was a huge security mistake IMO. Every app can port scan your network, and probably some do as part of fingerprinting (some websites do at least, and I assume apps are more brazen).
  - efreak 6y ago
    It's not mandatory, it's just incredibly common. There's also an untoggleable permission to allow viewing network access by other apps.
wtmt 6y ago
>> the way android apps just demand permisions for everything making the security benefit of permissions largely pointless. > That hasn't been the case for a pretty long time. Now the permissions are quite granular and you can accept and refuse specific one at any time. This is technically a correct answer, but I've seen the bad habit of asking for many permissions (and sometimes refusing to work without) being more common on Android. An example is a bank's app that will refuse to launch (or I mean, provide any meaningful information/experience) unless location permission is given (this is when giving the permission means an "always allow") and unless it's connected to a cellular data network (not WiFi). On iOS, the app is better behaved and will work with some useful functionality when certain permissions are denied.
- nitrogen 6y ago
  This could be due to an overly aggressive anti-fraud library/service like ThreatMetrix (I don't know if they do these things, they're just the only example I know).
- stjohnswarts 6y ago
  If they refuse to run without permissions that make sense to me then they get tossed. You don't need my location for me to play a solo platformer.