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A smart TV is dumb as long as it never sees an internet connection.

by grishka 6y ago

echelon 6y ago
It could encode signal in inaudible high frequency audio that the Facebook app passively listens for.
- mumblerino 6y ago
  Such BS, Facebook does not listen to audio passively. If it did, iOS 14 would have highlighted it. Stop spreading fake news. Also just because “Facebook” can listen, the TV still can’t receive updates and ads.
- grishka 6y ago
  I'm sure it does not because modern mobile OSes would alert the user to it, but even if it did, there's an easy fix: don't install the app. For when you do need Facebook, use the mobile website.
  - bitwize 6y ago
    Currently you MUST install Messenger (or use Facebook's retro mobile site for old Windows Mobile phones) to send/receive messages. Eventually, their mobile site will be nerfed and a popup will appear saying "Facebook is best experienced with the app".
    - grishka 6y ago
      Well, okay, I do have messenger lite on my phone and use it like two times a year. It doesn't have nearly as much crap in it as the full version, and doesn't relentlessly run in the background. Also doesn't spam me with notifications about things that aren't actual messages actually sent by actual people (looking at you, "you're celebrating %d years of friendship with %s"). It's cool to live in a place where Facebook never took off, I guess?
    - wlesieutre 6y ago
      Facebook can only listen to audio if you give it microphone permission, and even then the iOS 14 beta would have made it visible if they were turning the mic on when they shouldn't be. Even if they make you install the app they aren't using it to passively listen for ultrasonic signals from your television.
    - 29083011397778 6y ago
      > Currently you MUST install Messenger (or use Facebook's retro mobile site for old Windows Mobile phones) to send/receive messages. Are you sure? Their light website works just fine for me [1] [1] https://mbasic.facebook.com/messages/ https://mbasic.facebook.com/messages/
      - bitwize 6y ago
        That's the retro mobile site, which may be in danger of deprecation and removal.
- nitrogen 6y ago
  There are encoded signals used by these things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_People_Meter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_People_Meter

A smart TV is dumb as long as it never sees an internet connection.

echelon 6y ago

It could encode signal in inaudible high frequency audio that the Facebook app passively listens for.

mumblerino 6y ago
Such BS, Facebook does not listen to audio passively. If it did, iOS 14 would have highlighted it. Stop spreading fake news. Also just because “Facebook” can listen, the TV still can’t receive updates and ads.
grishka 6y ago
I'm sure it does not because modern mobile OSes would alert the user to it, but even if it did, there's an easy fix: don't install the app. For when you do need Facebook, use the mobile website.
- bitwize 6y ago
  Currently you MUST install Messenger (or use Facebook's retro mobile site for old Windows Mobile phones) to send/receive messages. Eventually, their mobile site will be nerfed and a popup will appear saying "Facebook is best experienced with the app".
  - grishka 6y ago
    Well, okay, I do have messenger lite on my phone and use it like two times a year. It doesn't have nearly as much crap in it as the full version, and doesn't relentlessly run in the background. Also doesn't spam me with notifications about things that aren't actual messages actually sent by actual people (looking at you, "you're celebrating %d years of friendship with %s"). It's cool to live in a place where Facebook never took off, I guess?
  - wlesieutre 6y ago
    Facebook can only listen to audio if you give it microphone permission, and even then the iOS 14 beta would have made it visible if they were turning the mic on when they shouldn't be. Even if they make you install the app they aren't using it to passively listen for ultrasonic signals from your television.
  - 29083011397778 6y ago
    > Currently you MUST install Messenger (or use Facebook's retro mobile site for old Windows Mobile phones) to send/receive messages. Are you sure? Their light website works just fine for me [1] [1] https://mbasic.facebook.com/messages/ https://mbasic.facebook.com/messages/
    - bitwize 6y ago
      That's the retro mobile site, which may be in danger of deprecation and removal.
nitrogen 6y ago
There are encoded signals used by these things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_People_Meter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_People_Meter