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You can say from the language in those screenshots that at least some of the bullies are not from the US. I don't really know how the US racial 'dynamics' work

You can say from the language in those screenshots that at least some of the bullies are not from the US. I don't really know how the US racial 'dynamics' work and feel, as I don't live there, so I'm not taking sides here. There's just one thing I would like to bring your attention to. I'm a white guy, born and raised in Europe, in an almost all-white country (+ Vietnamese and Gypsy minorities, but basically no big racial tensions). In my 20-thousand-people hometown there was a black guy and everyone knew him by name, because he was THE black guy. My country had been through fourty years of communism, then had a revolution and then went through a slow, uphill struggle to become a modern country where people vote in free elections every few years, have MacBooks and drive BMWs too fast. The living standard isn't exactly like Germany or the Great Britain, but we manage. And yet, every time I go online, there are people talking about "white supremacy". About "white privilege". People blaming the whites for slavery and wars, people saying whites are responsible for everything bad that has ever happened to the blacks. There are people who get so offended about everything they slightly disagree with, who are so sensitive and self-righteous, they wouldn't even be taken seriously in my country. To a white person whose ancestors never took part in any colonialism or slavery, the internet feels pretty hostile and just as judgemental as those 4chan weirdos. I don't like feeling guilty and being judged just because I don't support BLM, don't condemn Trump or don't care for "diversity" in companies whose products I use. I don't vote in your elections, I'm not the one who doesn't greet your black neighbor, I didn't install an obscure bipartisan system in your country. I don't feel guilty, yet every time I try to express any of those opinions online I get downvoted into oblivion by a US-centric virtue signalling mob. I understand the world is a complicated place and I kind of let it fly, but there are people getting slowly pushed over the edge by the hostility and shaming. Here's a link [0] to a news site discussion under a BLM related article. The opinions expressed there are pretty much in unison with what I hear from people around me. [0] https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=cs&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.idnes.cz%2Fzpravy%2Fzahranicni%2Fseattle-usa-black-lives-matter-cernosi-bydleni-gentrifikace.A200819_162800_zahranicni_jhr%2Fdiskuse https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=cs&tl=en&u=https%3...

AgentME 6y ago
Is your point that her politics are bad enough that she deserves this harassment, and is wrong to complain about it?
- Toutouxc 6y ago
  My point is that her being a little bit annoying may be the last drop for some people, and may unleash a disproportionate response. I think the harassment is sad and reprehensible, I'm just speculating there's much more behind it than her politics.
  - AgentME 6y ago
    >I'm just speculating there's much more behind it than her politics. Regretfully, I used 4chan a lot over the last decade, and I strongly agree with the author's description of it and most of its users. It really is enough for someone to catch the attention of trolls on the /g/ board if they say that there exists attention-seeking woman who is a fake programmer and who says bigotry is wrong who needs to be taken down a peg.
  - watwut 6y ago
    That is the thing they call bias: you don't really know, but make guesses and imagine events to confirm pre-conceived idea on who is bad, based on political affiliation, gender and race.
watwut 6y ago
Being from the same region, I just don't feel hostility you describe. For one, I really don't get offended over Americans discussing American history and society in terms relevant for American society. For the other, I don't understand why you living in completely different region with very little knowledge of America should talk about BLM. You can ship that discussion entirely if you wish. But when you join to take side with little knowledge of issues involved, the yeah, should not be surprised that people downvoted you.
aasasd 6y ago
What you're seeing is utter dominance of the US over English-language web. It's like people in the UK, Canada, Australia and company barely ever post on the web, and Europeans just hang out on local sites instead. Hence, English-language web is pretty much ‘US web’, and US politics is all over it. Ironically, you're posting this on a California-specific site where even other US people complain of too-local content and discussion. Among top non-regional sites, one that has more Europeans than Americans is 9GAG—but I doubt it that it's very interesting to grownups.
- BTCOG 6y ago
  I'd disagree and say that what we are seeing with all the constant talk about racism and over sensitivity to every little thing that can be turned into an offense of the most egregious nature, is the loudest victim using nasty speech to strongly convey negative-attention seeking behaviors. This is at global scale even if it started from the US social media.

AgentME 6y ago

Is your point that her politics are bad enough that she deserves this harassment, and is wrong to complain about it?

Toutouxc 6y ago
My point is that her being a little bit annoying may be the last drop for some people, and may unleash a disproportionate response. I think the harassment is sad and reprehensible, I'm just speculating there's much more behind it than her politics.
- AgentME 6y ago
  >I'm just speculating there's much more behind it than her politics. Regretfully, I used 4chan a lot over the last decade, and I strongly agree with the author's description of it and most of its users. It really is enough for someone to catch the attention of trolls on the /g/ board if they say that there exists attention-seeking woman who is a fake programmer and who says bigotry is wrong who needs to be taken down a peg.
- watwut 6y ago
  That is the thing they call bias: you don't really know, but make guesses and imagine events to confirm pre-conceived idea on who is bad, based on political affiliation, gender and race.

watwut 6y ago

Being from the same region, I just don't feel hostility you describe. For one, I really don't get offended over Americans discussing American history and society in terms relevant for American society. For the other, I don't understand why you living in completely different region with very little knowledge of America should talk about BLM. You can ship that discussion entirely if you wish. But when you join to take side with little knowledge of issues involved, the yeah, should not be surprised that people downvoted you.

aasasd 6y ago

What you're seeing is utter dominance of the US over English-language web. It's like people in the UK, Canada, Australia and company barely ever post on the web, and Europeans just hang out on local sites instead. Hence, English-language web is pretty much ‘US web’, and US politics is all over it. Ironically, you're posting this on a California-specific site where even other US people complain of too-local content and discussion. Among top non-regional sites, one that has more Europeans than Americans is 9GAG—but I doubt it that it's very interesting to grownups.

BTCOG 6y ago
I'd disagree and say that what we are seeing with all the constant talk about racism and over sensitivity to every little thing that can be turned into an offense of the most egregious nature, is the loudest victim using nasty speech to strongly convey negative-attention seeking behaviors. This is at global scale even if it started from the US social media.