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Apple is one of the few coMpanies you should trust for this.

kleiba 6y ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51413724 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51413724
oblio 6y ago
https://interestingengineering.com/apple-to-pay-up-to-500-million-over-intentionally-slowing-down-phones https://interestingengineering.com/apple-to-pay-up-to-500-mi...
- scarface74 6y ago
  I’m sure AppleTV’s will slow down when the batteries get older and they won’t tell you to replace the battery,..
  - oblio 6y ago
    It's just proof of planned obsolescence. For phones it happens one way, for TVs another way.
    - scarface74 6y ago
      So do you have a magically solution to keep rechargeable batteries from degrading over time?
      - Xelbair 6y ago
        yes. a replacement battery.
        scarface74 6y ago
        And you can get a replacement battery for $70. I got one for my 6s after two years before the whole batterygate thing started because it wasn’t holding a charge. Between my son and I, we kept it for four years. The only reason I didn’t keep it for another year was because I wanted a larger phone with a larger battery.
    - thirdsun 6y ago
      It‘s not. Instead it‘s the only reasonable way to deal with degrading batteries - a limitation all manufacturers have to deal with. Apple opted to prevent unexpected shutdowns by slightly throttling performance - the correct decision for most users, but they didn‘t tell the user about it, which of course serves as a great excuse for colorful, exaggerated headlines like the one in your linked article.
- LarvaFX 6y ago
  Once the battery is changed they are not slow any more. So not a valid point really.
  - oblio 6y ago
    I literally linked an article that says they've had to settle for half a billion (!) because Apple did this without informing the users they were doing it. And Apple had an obvious financial incentive to not mention it to users. People found out almost by accident that their phones were still working well, except for a part that is replaceable (and much cheaper than a new phone). In what world is this not a valid example of planned obsolescence?
    - EricE 6y ago
      So you'd rather the phone die and be unusable rather than slow and useable? Apple's only mistake was not proving the opportunity for people to choose from the start.
      - celsoazevedo 6y ago
        Mistake? They made the decision to slow down devices without telling users and profited from that decision. My iPhone 5 became slower after 1-2 years. If the battery was bad, I never noticed it (no shutdowns or anything like that). It coincided with a new iPhone and iOS version... I tried every trick, from formatting the phone to reducing animations. Then I found a thread on Apple forums about this and someone was suggesting getting a new phone! I did buy a new phone (OnePlus One) and it's still working after ~5 years. The battery doesn't last as long, but it doesn't die when I receive a call or play a game. Because of this, that iPhone 5 was my first and last iPhone.
        thirdsun 6y ago
        > My iPhone 5 became slower after 1-2 years. If the battery was bad, I never noticed it (no shutdowns or anything like that). So...it worked as expected? Slightly slowing the phone down is exactly what prevented your phone from potentially and unexpectedly shutting down.
ilogik 6y ago
The iOS 14 runs great on my iPhone 7. it will also run on the 6S, or the 2016 iPhone SE. The new SE will probably get OS updates for around 5 years or so.
cwingrav 6y ago
From the article, "It said the lithium-ion batteries in the devices became less capable of supplying peak current demands, as they aged over time. That could result in an iPhone unexpectedly shutting down to protect its electronic components. So, it released a software update for the iPhone 6, iPhone 6s and iPhone SE which "smoothed out" battery performance."
- Google234 6y ago
  The alternative is that your phone shuts down
  - pantalaimon 6y ago
    I still remember when phones had replaceable batteries.
  - yyyk 6y ago
    The alternative is that Apple could tell the user the phone battery was going bad, so they'd buy a new battery rather than a new iPhone. The other alternative is that Apple could test the battery and apply the throttling only when appropriate (rather than generically over entire models). Weirdly, both decisions contributed to Apple's bottom line. What an odd coincidence.
    - scarface74 6y ago
      They did not slow down the battery “generically over entire models”. They slowed it down when the battery was degraded. Wouldn’t it be much easier for Apple just not to issue OS updates for older phones if they wanted to encourage users to get new phones?
      - yyyk 6y ago
        Making units more disposable makes perfect commercial sense. Making them overtly more disposable might figure out into customer decisions which would be bad for profits. Better be subtle about it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51413724 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51413724

https://interestingengineering.com/apple-to-pay-up-to-500-million-over-intentionally-slowing-down-phones https://interestingengineering.com/apple-to-pay-up-to-500-mi...

scarface74 6y ago
I’m sure AppleTV’s will slow down when the batteries get older and they won’t tell you to replace the battery,..
- oblio 6y ago
  It's just proof of planned obsolescence. For phones it happens one way, for TVs another way.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    So do you have a magically solution to keep rechargeable batteries from degrading over time?
    - Xelbair 6y ago
      yes. a replacement battery.
      - scarface74 6y ago
        And you can get a replacement battery for $70. I got one for my 6s after two years before the whole batterygate thing started because it wasn’t holding a charge. Between my son and I, we kept it for four years. The only reason I didn’t keep it for another year was because I wanted a larger phone with a larger battery.
  - thirdsun 6y ago
    It‘s not. Instead it‘s the only reasonable way to deal with degrading batteries - a limitation all manufacturers have to deal with. Apple opted to prevent unexpected shutdowns by slightly throttling performance - the correct decision for most users, but they didn‘t tell the user about it, which of course serves as a great excuse for colorful, exaggerated headlines like the one in your linked article.
LarvaFX 6y ago
Once the battery is changed they are not slow any more. So not a valid point really.
- oblio 6y ago
  I literally linked an article that says they've had to settle for half a billion (!) because Apple did this without informing the users they were doing it. And Apple had an obvious financial incentive to not mention it to users. People found out almost by accident that their phones were still working well, except for a part that is replaceable (and much cheaper than a new phone). In what world is this not a valid example of planned obsolescence?
  - EricE 6y ago
    So you'd rather the phone die and be unusable rather than slow and useable? Apple's only mistake was not proving the opportunity for people to choose from the start.
    - celsoazevedo 6y ago
      Mistake? They made the decision to slow down devices without telling users and profited from that decision. My iPhone 5 became slower after 1-2 years. If the battery was bad, I never noticed it (no shutdowns or anything like that). It coincided with a new iPhone and iOS version... I tried every trick, from formatting the phone to reducing animations. Then I found a thread on Apple forums about this and someone was suggesting getting a new phone! I did buy a new phone (OnePlus One) and it's still working after ~5 years. The battery doesn't last as long, but it doesn't die when I receive a call or play a game. Because of this, that iPhone 5 was my first and last iPhone.
      - thirdsun 6y ago
        > My iPhone 5 became slower after 1-2 years. If the battery was bad, I never noticed it (no shutdowns or anything like that). So...it worked as expected? Slightly slowing the phone down is exactly what prevented your phone from potentially and unexpectedly shutting down.

ilogik 6y ago

The iOS 14 runs great on my iPhone 7. it will also run on the 6S, or the 2016 iPhone SE. The new SE will probably get OS updates for around 5 years or so.

cwingrav 6y ago

From the article, "It said the lithium-ion batteries in the devices became less capable of supplying peak current demands, as they aged over time. That could result in an iPhone unexpectedly shutting down to protect its electronic components. So, it released a software update for the iPhone 6, iPhone 6s and iPhone SE which "smoothed out" battery performance."

Google234 6y ago
The alternative is that your phone shuts down
- pantalaimon 6y ago
  I still remember when phones had replaceable batteries.
- yyyk 6y ago
  The alternative is that Apple could tell the user the phone battery was going bad, so they'd buy a new battery rather than a new iPhone. The other alternative is that Apple could test the battery and apply the throttling only when appropriate (rather than generically over entire models). Weirdly, both decisions contributed to Apple's bottom line. What an odd coincidence.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    They did not slow down the battery “generically over entire models”. They slowed it down when the battery was degraded. Wouldn’t it be much easier for Apple just not to issue OS updates for older phones if they wanted to encourage users to get new phones?
    - yyyk 6y ago
      Making units more disposable makes perfect commercial sense. Making them overtly more disposable might figure out into customer decisions which would be bad for profits. Better be subtle about it.